Crackdown in Oxford

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GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
In Copenhagen at the moment, nobody gives a toss whether the cyclists are wearing helmets or hi viz whether they have lights or sneak though on a red light. There were no horns or arguments on our 2 hour ride this morning. Quite enjoyable. Sitting outside a bar this afternoon we were quite surprised at the number of cyclists who were wearing helmets. Have to say there are a number of safety organisations which would not be able to cope with cyclists here:ohmy:

Derek
I've been here (cph) for months and the police have a better sense of their urgent priorities. Though if you do something daft right in their face (backies or jaywalking) you will get a ticking off.

Dont agree with your comment re no lights no toss tho. Riders even carry torches in their hands in their urge to comply.

Very law abiding cph'ers are.
 

phil_hg_uk

I am not a member, I am a free man !!!!!!
For 8 year olds and 88 year olds and all in between?

It is illegal to cycle on the pavement unless it is stated otherwise obviously small children on kids bikes for instance cant be expected to cycle on the a busy road, but day in day out I see fully grown adults cycling on the pavement often in full lycra there is no reason for them to be doing that so until such time as they change to law they need to get on the road.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
It is illegal to cycle on the pavement unless it is stated otherwise obviously small children on kids bikes for instance cant be expected to cycle on the a busy road, but day in day out I see fully grown adults cycling on the pavement often in full lycra there is no reason for them to be doing that so until such time as they change to law they need to get on the road.
The law applies to 8 year olds, you either want the law applied or you don't.

Fortunately ACPO have more sense than some in here.
 

Shut Up Legs

Down Under Member
About time. Too many cyclists get away with too much and in the eyes of the public it reflects badly on then rest of us.
Not the old "everything other cyclists do reflects on us" rubbish. What other cyclists do has stuff-all to do with me, and I'm not responsible for them, any more than motorists are responsible for what other motorists do. So please stop supporting marginalisation of cyclists.
 

phil_hg_uk

I am not a member, I am a free man !!!!!!

Well the copper messed up and they apologized and said:

The police officer has forgotten that children under the age of 10 are below the criminal age of responsibility so they can't break laws and can technically ride on the pavement.

Which is what I thought was the case.

Having said that I wonder what they would do if an under 10 year old committed an armed robbery.
 

toffee

Guru
Dont agree with your comment re no lights no toss tho. Riders even carry torches in their hands in their urge to comply.

Very law abiding cph'ers are.

To be honest I haven't seen any police in the centre of Copenhagen in the two days we have been here and there have been loads of bikes without lights, others have only had rear lights.

Law abiding I don't know, but everyone drivers, cyclists and pedestrians just don't seem to be as stressed about life. We made mistakes riding around today but no one beeped their horn or threw their hands up in anger.

I think it's life in Denmark is just less stressful, its not our first visit here.

Derek
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
Is that the look that includes a slammed saddle even on a MTB so the rider is riding with their knees around their ears, as if they were on a BMX even though they're not? Hardly a 'look' (other than 'clueless twit') but then what do I know? I'm even less down wid da yoof now than I was when I was da yoof.
Yep, it probably is...although I was waiting for my eldest during last summer and watched some lads doing some pretty impressive moves on mountain bikes.they were bunny hopping up unto walls and even bollards (on one wheel). I don't know what style of skill this is but a tall seat post would be a distinct disadvantage...as such they had no seats at all...it was like watching trials bike riding, without the engine.


So maybe the kids you see are emulating this "cooler" form.of mtb..
Or whatever the actual style is.

I can speak a bit of teenager but I really cant follow the whole culture
 

Karlt

Well-Known Member
Well the copper messed up and they apologized and said:

The police officer has forgotten that children under the age of 10 are below the criminal age of responsibility so they can't break laws and can technically ride on the pavement.

Which is what I thought was the case.

Having said that I wonder what they would do if an under 10 year old committed an armed robbery.

It'd be a social services issue - the age of criminal responsibility is solid. It's not actually correct that under 10s can technically ride on the pavement. It's still illegal for them to do so, and a police officer could insist they stop doing it and probably if push came to shove chuck a public order offence at the parent if they refused to comply, or accompany the child home if unaccompanied. They can't however be prosecuted for it, being under the age of criminal responsibility.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
The BBC news feature is just another example of how the media collude with the Police to create an impression of effect - a cycling version of Police-Camera-Action if you like, or a free public information film. There are frighteningly few Police on duty at any time so the fear of a random stop has disappeared, which is why a small minority of drivers flout the law so brazenly. However Society continues to function because the majority are law-abiding as they have the brains to recognise that respect for the rules is necessary for a harmonious life. Cities like Amsterdam and Copenhagen are good examples of how this works; friends of mine who live in a developing country stayed in Amsterdam and marvelled that it was like looking inside a superior brain.

The Police have to use their scarce resources in the most effective way, so to stand beside a major commuting route in a cycling city is bound to pay dividends, with over 150 tickets written out in three hours, a fantastic hit rate. The very visible PR exercise will have a good effect in a middle-class university city like Oxford because the cyclists were students and so presumably amongst some of the most intelligent people on the planet, ready to listen to reason and accept a bollocking without giving the Police aggro in return. Try conducting the same exercise in Blackbird Leys estate in Cowley and the hit rate would be minimal while the aggro would not make for such effective PR, assuming the Police could even find a suitable location in which to stop the black hoody-clad muppets who happen to be riding unlit bicycles around the estate.

I was more interested in the ham-fisted writing style of the officer shown writing out a ticket. at 0:14.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
To be honest I haven't seen any police in the centre of Copenhagen in the two days we have been here and there have been loads of bikes without lights, others have only had rear lights.

Law abiding I don't know, but everyone drivers, cyclists and pedestrians just don't seem to be as stressed about life. We made mistakes riding around today but no one beeped their horn or threw their hands up in anger.

I think it's life in Denmark is just less stressful, its not our first visit here.

Derek
cph is full of British visitors this week; half-term I guess.

I'm going home tomorrow.

Gobsmacked you've not been ting-ed by the bell of an annoyed cyclist behind you at some point. Regular feature of the so-called rush hour.

I haven't seen enough of the rest of the Denmark to make a meaningful comparison with back home. But I will say this, for a capital city folk don't half walk slow. (Even compared to Stockholm). London it ain't. And there are pro's and con's to that. cph'ers certainly seem to have a better work-life balance worked out them most other folk I've met. But... well... let's say the clam and peace can be a little superficial. Have a read of "The Almost, Nearly, Perfect People" or "The Year of Living Danishly." for a deeper insight into the Danish psyche.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Are they really annoyed or are you assuming emotions for them?
Irritated. Annoyed. Frustrated. Piqued. The bell changes but the song remains the same.

Given that many tings are followed up by a stream of Danish invective, sometimes muttered in passing, but often shouted, directed at the poor sap who is the target of the ting, and on two occasions I've seen that then escalate to "handbags", I leave you to draw your own conclusions...
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Yep, it probably is...although I was waiting for my eldest during last summer and watched some lads doing some pretty impressive moves on mountain bikes.they were bunny hopping up unto walls and even bollards (on one wheel). I don't know what style of skill this is but a tall seat post would be a distinct disadvantage...as such they had no seats at all...it was like watching trials bike riding, without the engine.


So maybe the kids you see are emulating this "cooler" form.of mtb..
Or whatever the actual style is.

I can speak a bit of teenager but I really cant follow the whole culture
The style is the same with or without an engine. Trials.
 
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