Cycle lanes increase vehicle congestion?

[sheddy]

How long before the lies are escalated by the daily wail ?

 

[vickster]

Well if you want to be pedantic I do have a folding ebike I could take

but that isn't the point - OK it is, because I could


but the point I was TRYING to make was that better bike parking would be nice

I was just ignoring certain parts of my own bike ownership details

In fact one of the reasons I have the folder is so I can just lob it in the back of the car and go somewhere - then cycle when I get there
would be nice if the destination was the park and ride and I could ride the last bit

Is there a park & ride?
Or why not just cycle to station on your folder, and get train then no driving by yourself is needed (as presumably you aren’t obliged to due to disability), which was one of your points?
Surely taking your bike in the car to cycle somewhere just adds to the car issue (when you could just cycle somewhere). Isn’t one of the benefits of bikes to get cars off the road?

 

[ianrauk]

How long before the lies are escalated by the daily wail ?

14 hours ago Daily Heil Link

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Is there a park & ride?
Or why not just cycle to station on your folder, and get train then no driving by yourself is needed (as presumably you aren’t obliged to due to disability), which was one of your points?

That was what I was trying to say above - I could - and would
but it would be nice to be able to park it there safely

 

[vickster]

Why do you need to park a folding bike anywhere other than safely at your final destination like a workplace?

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Why do you need to park a folding bike anywhere other than safely at your final destination like a workplace?

Saves having to carry a heavy bulky ebike on a train - just a bit easier - and people who have non folding bikes could also use the facilites

 

[vickster]

Saves having to carry a heavy bulky ebike on a train - just a bit easier - and people who have non folding bikes could also use the facilites

I thought you had a folder?

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

I thought you had a folder?

It is - still heavy even if I take the battery out
I can carry it - but it is heavy and unwieldy
I'm sure I could get a bag with strap I suppose

 

[vickster]

It is - still heavy even if I take the battery out
I can carry it - but it is heavy and unwieldy
I'm sure I could get a bag with strap I suppose

Time for an e-Brompton (or a folder without a motor if you're not going miles up hills)

 

[mjr]

Wow. This BS is literally number 1 on the "Bad Arguments Against Bike Lanes" video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xXZaLMlXvs


Will they run "Not everyone can ride a bike" tomorrow?

 

[mjr]

The BBC report doesn't say who Inrix are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INRIX

An analysis company that makes most of its money from motorists, one way or another, and almost the epitome of "conflict of interest" here.

I especially liked this part of the report: Inrix operations director Peter Lees said the installation of cycle lanes had a "negative impact on congestion". He said: "Use of roads is all about supply and demand. If the demand goes up but the road space is being shared with other forms of transport, there's less tarmac effectively for the cars to be on, which then has an impact on the speeds on the road and therefore congestion."

So that's completely ignoring all the research about induced demand and traffic evaporation, then, or even just the simple fact that each person who changes to cycle as a result of protected space is using less tarmac and thereby increasing the capacity of that piece of tarmac: as long as you measure capacity in people and not cars.

Also, about "speeds on the road". I'm pretty sure that's been found to be governed by the speed of buses, not the amount of tarmac, as explained in this video about the Downs-Thomson Paradox:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQY6WGOoYis

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Given bikes are vehicles, the basic premise of the claim is flawed.

 

[slowmotion]

I think that even the most militant cyclists should be able to admit that some of the bike lanes that that have sprung up during the The Plague have been utterly daft. Tick box lunacy from some councils.

 

[mjr]

I think that even the most militant cyclists should be able to admit that some of the bike lanes that that have sprung up during the The Plague have been utterly daft. Tick box lunacy from some councils.

Yes, some odd looking stuff has been posted on here previously, but surely it's a minority.

 

[slowmotion]

Yes, some odd looking stuff has been posted on here previously, but surely it's a minority.

I'm just judging by what I have experienced locally. Hammersmith Broadway is effectively a large roundabout with three or four lanes of heavy traffic swirling round it. There are six exits. The London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham decided to put a cycle path round the inside of the roundabout. In order for a cyclist using the cycle lane to exit the Broadway, they have to ride across three or four lanes of traffic, usually from a standstill at traffic lights. It's a criminally stupid design. You are far safer being out amongst the traffic although you risk some moron giving you a hard time.

Mercifully it was removed after about a year.