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Mile for mile they're allegedly safer as the solid concrete divider eliminates crossover collisions. However, nearside stationary vehicle collisions have, unsurprisingly, shot up.
CycleChat Investigates - Smart Motorways
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The MP who is leading a campaign to stop them and who lead a recent debate in an interview I heard. Said she'd found that every agency , safely organisation who'd been asked and the emergency services. Told government when they 1st had the idea that it was an unsafe one. She went on to say that she can't find any evidence that anyone said it was safe.
She come to the conclusion that the government must have factored in an acceptable death rate purely to safe face and go ahead anyway.
Which given the way deaths are stacking up sounds right if it is than it's shocking to think that people mean so little to them.
She come to the conclusion that the government must have factored in an acceptable death rate purely to safe face and go ahead anyway.
Which given the way deaths are stacking up sounds right if it is than it's shocking to think that people mean so little to them.
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Not really an argument in favour of them though - nothing to stop those dividers being put on other roads.
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Absolutely. The dividers are great, everything else is death kill slaughter in waiting.
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Watched the prog.
Apparently the general advice for folk unfortunate enough to break down is to stay put.
Now where have we heard that before?
Apparently the general advice for folk unfortunate enough to break down is to stay put.
Now where have we heard that before?
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The power of the CycleChat Investigates team!
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rt-motorways-put-on-hold-amid-safety-concerns
No sooner did my letter, wrapped around a brick, smash through the window of Boris' office, the news was announced of a halt on the smart motorway rollout.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rt-motorways-put-on-hold-amid-safety-concerns
No sooner did my letter, wrapped around a brick, smash through the window of Boris' office, the news was announced of a halt on the smart motorway rollout.
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Ahhh. I’ve heard Boris collects bricks and has a cabinet full of them in Downing St.
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I agree they are poor from a safety point of view.
But driving into the back of a broken down vehicle is a poor effort from the driver, whatever lane it's in and whatever the road layout.
Hard shoulder deaths have always happened, so any inquiry will need to be careful before ascribing every Smart Motorway death to the Smart system.
But driving into the back of a broken down vehicle is a poor effort from the driver, whatever lane it's in and whatever the road layout.
Hard shoulder deaths have always happened, so any inquiry will need to be careful before ascribing every Smart Motorway death to the Smart system.
Pale Rider
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I can see the attraction, if you are never in lane one you cannot hit a vehicle in it.
But hogging lane two, thereby promoting congestion and resulting driver frustration, is not the most public spirited answer.
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But you could still have a collision with someone who swerved out of the first lane to avoid a stopped vehicle there.
Sorry but I just think these things are inherently dangerous.
And beyond common sense.
Pale Rider
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A motorway with a hard shoulder must be safer than one without.
On the other hand, we still have lots of dual carriageways which have no hard shoulder but the same 70mph speed limit.
No one seems to be saying they are inherently dangerous.
On the other hand, we still have lots of dual carriageways which have no hard shoulder but the same 70mph speed limit.
No one seems to be saying they are inherently dangerous.
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But they tend not to have nose to tail HGVs thundering along at their speed limit.
But they tend not to have nose to tail HGVs thundering along at their speed limit.
Pale Rider
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They don't, but what they do have is junctions which are not graded, short or non existent slip roads, and even right turns across the central reservation.
Hence the stats which say motorways are the safest roads per mile travelled.
That may not have included Smart motorways, but I doubt their poorer safety record will have made any difference to the safety league table.
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