Profpointy
Legendary Member
I had to Google that to realise you mean Taking Without Konsent.
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Cycling and drinking, should we do it
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ah - good point - fixed now
Or when some twonk in a car tries to overtake too closely with an oncoming car. Not punishable by law but punishable by injury or death.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
As usual we have some cyclists defending their corner in self-righteous fashion where they can do no wrong whilst wishing eternal damnation on motorists.
I accept that errant cyclists probably would cause less of a problem than a similarly errant motorist.
However, *issed cyclist swerves across road, car swerves mounts pavement squashes several people etc.
How would the actions of that cyclist be defensible?
If a cyclist uses the road then they ought to be subject to the same alcohol/drug laws as other road users. I remember something on here a while back advocating zero tolerance on these matters for motorists and there was much vocal support for this - same rules apply both ways in my view.
At some point the cycling anti-motorist brigade needs to get off their high horse and recognise that the whole world really does not revolve around them and that life is a two way street. As in all things in life their have to be mutually beneficial solutions to all problems.
I accept that errant cyclists probably would cause less of a problem than a similarly errant motorist.
However, *issed cyclist swerves across road, car swerves mounts pavement squashes several people etc.
How would the actions of that cyclist be defensible?
If a cyclist uses the road then they ought to be subject to the same alcohol/drug laws as other road users. I remember something on here a while back advocating zero tolerance on these matters for motorists and there was much vocal support for this - same rules apply both ways in my view.
At some point the cycling anti-motorist brigade needs to get off their high horse and recognise that the whole world really does not revolve around them and that life is a two way street. As in all things in life their have to be mutually beneficial solutions to all problems.
Inertia
I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
I think our response should be proportional to the problem, how often does a drunk cyclist mount the pavement and squash even one person? Drunk drivers kill.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Not being silly TMN - just read the numerous threads re motorists, horses & pedestrians (I'm sure you have) and the sentiment persists.
There are very definitely a number of cyclists who will go out of their way to rationalise their own poor behaviour on the road as being fine and dandy whilst taking every opportunity to snipe at the other aforementioned groups.
if you think that's a 'silly' observation then cest la vie.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
No idea have you? Was just citing a possible example.
However, should such an incident (or similar) occur and your child, grand child, other family member, dog etc was killed then I wonder how proportional your response would be.
How much should finite police resources should be spent dealing with drunk cyclists as oppsoed to drunk drives? Give me an idea of ratios? Should it a similar ratio to the number of KSIs from each group?
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
The matter of finite resources vs the probability of the offence has no bearing on whether or not it is ok to ride a cycle under the influence. It is still wrong.
The probability of someone nipping down to Kendal Town Centre and lopping off someone's head with a machete is low. We can't afford to post a policeman in KTC full-time just in case someone with a cleaver seeking retribution for some obscure 'wrong' turns up and starts swinging away. Doesn't make head lopping ok does it.
Correct, I don't do it - that was stated in about post 2 on this thread from me. However as it's pretty much harmless I don't really care whether anyone does it or not. And I certainly don't want much police resources spent on it as their time is better spent dealing with drunk motorists.
Inertia
I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
No but then it was your example.
In such a scenario I would obviously be too close to the problem and my response would not be proportional.
Profpointy
Legendary Member
yebbut has this ever actually happened in the whole history of the world?
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
This is pretty much the situation in Finland: Oddity of Finnish law – both illegal and legal to ride a bike drunk
But seeing as we don't have any cases of drunk riders killing pedestrians your analogy should actually read that we should ban all knives/machetes incase someone lops off a head.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
A I said I don't know but it could as could a whole number of other similar examples. It's not raining hard enough today to try to list them all.
In the whole history of the world can you imagine that not one single *issed cyclist has ever screwed up and caused a serious incident?
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
So you have access to a database of every accident that has ever happened involving a cyclist and can 100% rule this out?
