Cyclist killed in road rage incident

[TimP]

Oh I have and the fact that generally there appears to be a reasonably quality of posting here means I'm willing to loiter and contribute. Yes this forum is "gentile and highbrow" against many.

Doesn't mean that this thread falls below the normal standards of the place and isn't a good representation. Other places are worse isn't much of a justification.

 

[HF2300]

Well, who would? It's a slippery slope tho', to imply as you seem to be doing that RLJing justifies or excuses 'retribution'.

I can't see how you could read Arch's post like that at all, particularly given the part you didn't quote: 'I don't think anyone has condoned the actions of the driver.'

This is a general point, not aimed at you in particular, swee'pea, but one of the worse tendencies of posters here seems to involve wilful misinterpretation of other people's comments.

 

[col]

I can't see how you could read Arch's post like that at all, particularly given the part you didn't quote: 'I don't think anyone has condoned the actions of the driver.'

This is a general point, not aimed at you in particular, swee'pea, but one of the worse tendencies of posters here seems to involve wilful misinterpretation of other people's comments.

This is done on purpose by some very frequently.

 

[Bollo]

This is done on purpose by some very frequently.

Col, I struggle to interpret many of your posts, never mind misinterpret them!

 

[Bollo]

Others have made the point already, but it's very interesting that the CPS are treating this as murder and not manslaughter, death by dangerous driving or some other half-baked motoring offence. I thought that murder charges required very clear evidence of planned premeditation, something that it's usually very difficult to plant on even some quite frightening road-rage incidents.

 

[handsome joe]

I was involved in an incident similar to this a while ago. I didn't knock the guys mirror off but hit it slightly leaving it out of alignment. I did wave to the driver in apology but was then chased at high speed, only inches away from his car, having abuse shouted at me through his window.

I am a very careful cyclist (believe me i am not bragging) but i remember coming onto this forum and being told that this guys reaction was logical and understandable given the nature of the incident. I don't know if this forums full of self-haters or expert cyclist who haven't made a mistake in their lives but come on.

Running someone over because your wing mirror has been damaged is not a rational reaction. Anyone who tries to justify this places too much attachment to inanimate objects.

Yes i am p***** off when I have damaged my bike on a pot hole, but i don't feel like murdering the contractors who failed to do their job. Similarly if someone’s car is shunted and damaged by another car they don't feel like murdering that person. They get out the car and assess the damage....whether the other car driver is at the scene or not.

 

[TwickenhamCyclist]

...My uncle knocked a mirror off whilst out riding, deliberately, having been nearly been knocked off by an unrepentant and aggressive BMW driver on the motorway, he went past, slowed down and twatted the mirror which parted company nicely, ....

out of interest - why/how was your uncle "out riding" his bike on the motorway? Or was he on a motorbike???

 

[very-near]

out of interest - why/how was your uncle "out riding" his bike on the motorway? Or was he on a motorbike???

Would riding either a cycle or m/cycle make the rider any less vulnerable to a determined driver in close proximity ?

 

[TwickenhamCyclist]

I was involved in an incident similar to this a while ago. I didn't knock the guys mirror off but hit it slightly leaving it out of alignment. I did wave to the driver in apology but was then chased at high speed, only inches away from his car, having abuse shouted at me through his window.

If it was an accident why cycle off????

It’s quite simple:
Knock a wing mirror by accident – stop, apologise, exchange details etc,
If you do it on purpose have an “out” – it’s not that difficult; either

double back - you can turn around a hell of a lot quicker than a car can
stay level with the side of the vehicle
go up an alleyway / dead end to vehicles
remove the keys
twat the fat driver etc etc

If I had a choice of being in my car and having to deal with an aggressive cyclist or bein on my bike and dealing with an aggressive driver, I’d choose the bike 99 times out of 100

 

[TwickenhamCyclist]

Would riding either a cycle or m/cycle make the rider any less vulnerable to a determined driver in close proximity ?

I was just interested as to how/why a cyclist was cycling on a motorway in the first place – that’s all…

 

[very-near]

I was just interested as to how/why a cyclist was cycling on a motorway in the first place – that’s all…

Cycling Land speed record attempt being foiled by slow motorway drivers ?

 

[col]

Col, I struggle to interpret many of your posts, never mind misinterpret them!

Its right about this and not the main thing but when it works and doesnt its fine, but I take your point before the last point after too

 

[TwickenhamCyclist]

Cycling Land speed record attempt being foiled by slow motorway drivers ?

Ah… I see… It’s all starting to make sense now… bloody BMW drivers

 

[Cubist]

out of interest - why/how was your uncle "out riding" his bike on the motorway? Or was he on a motorbike???

TC, later in the same post he says that his uncle had a four cylinder 140bhp engine to aid his getaway. Suspect that was the clue.....

 

[very-near]

TC, later in the same post he says that his uncle had a four cylinder 140bhp engine to aid his getaway. Suspect that was the clue.....

Is that what they call a 'riders aid'

It is true that a big engine can put a big distance between you and a car in a very short period of time if you choose to use it. It takes a lot of restraint to keep the speed in check when it is so easily obtained. I find keeping the rpm below 4,000 in any gear helps this, but the bike I'm using has a fair bit more than 140bhp on tap if required.

In terms of respect from car drivers, I get a massive amount more on the m/cycle than the cycle. Many Car drivers move over to let me through when filtering in lines of traffic. I've never had this whilst cycling