Cyclist Wanted (threads merged)

[BSRU]

Is that in the video or has the cyclist come forward?

A tweet from @peterwalker99
The latest tweet states the cyclist is saying nearly ran over his foot.

 

[MarkF]

The driver is the nobber initially, through ignorance or impatience but the cyclist is the uber nobber. I've no sympathy for him, ok a bit, when he was left utterly & publically humiliated.

 

[Cubist]

I actually enjoyed this. The cyclist goes all enforcer, paggering along in his overcoat, flannels and bobble hat to have a stern word with the driver. He doesn't reckon on getting chinned, and the look on his face as he exits.stage left with shitty knickers is particulalry edifying.

Moral.of the story? If you ain't hard, don't do hard men things.

 

[glenn forger]

There's nothing "hard" about that behaviour. It was a sucker punch, a coward's trick.

 

[steve52]

cyclist nobber im sad to say, imo

 

[Kies]

Do ASL's create the "must get in front" syndrome for cyclists?
Personally I would have just waited behind the Audi.

you should the major junctions in London - even i get nervous with the sheer numbers of riders swarming all over my car at the lights, and that's with me being a rider. most queue down the inside, but a small minority insist on taking up the whole ASL and blocking the path for the cars. That just creates a flash point between impatient cyclists and drivers.

 

[MarkF]

There's nothing "hard" about that behaviour. It was a sucker punch, a coward's trick.

The only coward there was riding a bike. He was very agressive towards his target, yet when agression was returned, he went all passive.

Would you still be spouting this triumphalist macho rubbish if the cyclist had been fatally stabbed instead of punched for standing up to a bully?

Is this a different incident?

 

[mickle]

It's an ASL - it's there to allow cyclists to get ahead of the traffic. The clue is in the name. The driver, and, it seems, most of you lot, don't know how an ASL works.

The driver is totally out of order for moving into the ASL box - particularly because there are cyclists already in it. And our cyclist - quite rightly - calls him on it. At this point the only decent course of action the driver can take is to wait for the cyclists to clear the junction - but he's committed now, backing out clearly isn't an option he's considered and when the lights change he speeds off giving no consideration the the safety of the cyclist who has stopped near his vehicle. Whether he runs over the cyclist's foot or not, at this point he's driving - at some speed - way too close to a cyclist. If he'd run over my foot I'd have hunted him down too.

The cyclist was right to chase him down, and right to call him a prick. But he certainly didn't deserve to be assaulted in the street. I'm astounded that some of you think he was out-of-order and that he somehow had it coming. WTF?
And what the hell were all those other cyclists doing? just stood around doing F all? You've just witnessed another human being get a smack in the mouth. Are we all supposed to stand aside with our heads bowed when people act like twunts in public? Not say anything? People who go through life behaving like this can't be allowed to get away with it - because the next time or the time after that it's my 12 year old daughter on the receiving end of his attitude towards cyclists.

In that situation I'd have done exactly the same as our cyclist in the video, right up to the point the assailant got out of the car ..

 

[derrick]

Cyclist out of order pulling in front like he did, give and take on both sides is the order of the day, i see it every day on my commute cycles deliberately trying to hold up cars, as someone said earlier the car is always going to be quicker away. the driver was out of order for decking him, but maybe the cyclist has learnt a lesson. only have a go at people who are smaller than you.

 

[mickle]

Cyclist out of order pulling in front like he did, give and take on both sides is the order of the day, i see it every day on my commute cycles deliberately trying to hold up cars, as someone said earlier the car is always going to be quicker away. the driver was out of order for decking him, but maybe the cyclist has learnt a lesson. only have a go at people who are smaller than you.

It's called an Advanced Stop Line, designed so that cyclists can get to the front of the traffic at lights. If you don't like them then lobby for their abolition. If you don't understand how they work maybe you should avoid them, but don't critcise someone who does.

As for 'deliberately holding up cars'? Do you understand the concept of Primary Position?

 

[CopperCyclist]

I hadnt spotted that it was a passenger.
That does change things a bit, as the passenger had nothing to do with the driving and wasnt being shouted at, they cant use @CopperCyclist self defense arguement.

You can still legally defend your property, or another person. However I accept the point that if he wasn't the driver, he has less of a case.

Just for info too, the matter would be recorded as a crime even if a decision is made not to proceed due to an available defence. The crime is still committed, it just makes it unlikely to hit CPS - and the above is only my opinion, based solely off the video and not the complete facts.

 

[Sara_H]

I wouldn't bother. The driver would be able to get off on an argument of 'self defence' of myself and my property due to the way the cyclist came to his window. The camera shows him deliver one punch, and then stand back - he doesn't even follow it up with threatening behaviour.

Yes, his driving was poor, and no the cyclist certainly wasn't 'asking' for it - I'm not saying that, but I believe the driver would have a defence in law, based on what can be seen on the camera.

Moral of the story - leave it at pointing out the ASL if you must - don't chase down drivers just to vent your spleen at them. It could have finished much wise for that cyclist if the driver hadn't left it at one punch and had followed up with further kicks while the guy was down. (which would have been assault, but would it be worth it!)

It wasn't self defense, he got out of his car to assault someone wh, although annoying, didn't attempt to physically harm him. Slf defense only works as a defense if you're being physically threatened.

 

[Herbie]

Wanted by the YouTuber in order to potentially prosecute the driver.


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfdvIfT8H5c&feature=youtu.be

Completely unnecessary incident both parties total prats IMHO

 

[Herbie]

It wasn't self defense, he got out of his car to assault someone wh, although annoying, didn't attempt to physically harm him. Slf defense only works as a defense if you're being physically threatened.

Some grown ups acting like little kids.....just behave yourselves is what I would have shouted out if I was one of that other chaps cycling nearby....lifes too short for this kinda nonsense...C'mon

 

[BSRU]

It's an ASL - it's there to allow cyclists to get ahead of the traffic. The clue is in the name. The driver, and, it seems, most of you lot, don't know how an ASL works.

I think most of us understand how an ASL works, just in this situation with just one car waiting would it not be better just to take primary behind it.

Note. Cyclists can use them if they want and should not have to put up with drivers driving into them wanting three points and a fine.