glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
I don't think it matters how many cars are waiting for a cyclist to be legitimate in his use of it.
The car driver wasn't using it as intended, that's for sure.
GC
Cyclist Wanted (threads merged)
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I don't think it matters how many cars are waiting for a cyclist to be legitimate in his use of it.
The car driver wasn't using it as intended, that's for sure.
GC
400bhp
Guru
Agreed it was legitimate, but that's not the intention of them is it?
This was so so petty this incident and just shows how stuff can escalate quickly.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
Agreed it didn't deserve the escalation it got (from either side) but I don't know how you have determined the intent of the zone. Is it to be dictated by the number of cars already present? Who decides how many?
GC
400bhp
Guru
There isn't a definitive answer - principles based rather than rules based IMO.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
I reckon we probably take the same approach to these zones; I'll sit behind a single car, in primary, nearly every time. I was making the point that the cyclist was entirely in the right to use the zone as he did and I wouldn't criticise anyone who chose to in similar circumstances.
GC
glenn forger
Guest
[QUOTE 2889497, member: 30090"]Don't be silly. And don't try and compare the two incidents.[/quote]
You said cyclists don't die because ASLs are abused. they do. No matter how many smileys you post you're wrong.
You said cyclists don't die because ASLs are abused. they do. No matter how many smileys you post you're wrong.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Get 2 or 3 idiots together who don't agree = trouble !
glenn forger
Guest
[QUOTE 2888821, member: 30090"]Not by cars creeping into an ASL box they don't.[/quote]
deep Lee moved to the front of the traffic queue and found the ASL blocked by two cars. the lorry moved off and killed her. drivers who abuse ASLs put lives at risk. Why defend them?
deep Lee moved to the front of the traffic queue and found the ASL blocked by two cars. the lorry moved off and killed her. drivers who abuse ASLs put lives at risk. Why defend them?
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
Yeah but it was for a traffic offence. I think to bring an assault charge against someone you must have the assaulted report it.
CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
- Location
- London
Both cyclist and driver were twats. Personally I use the ASLs if there's a queue of traffic, but one or two cars, I'll just sit behind them in primary.
Accy cyclist
Legendary Member
- Location
- The hills of Accrington
The video was a disappointment! I wanted to see the driver get a slap, or at least see someone nick his ignition key!
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
[QUOTE 2890797, member: 9609"]In Scotland it would be considered a "Breach of the Peace" which is fairly serious, both an arrestable and imprisonable offence. Even if two people fight willingly and neither complain, the procurator fiscal might well take a dim view and lock both up. I am sure there will be something similar in England.[/quote]
My point stands though, you need both parties to take that forward.
My point stands though, you need both parties to take that forward.
ComedyPilot
Secret Lemonade Drinker
- Location
- The Kingdom of Yorkshire
No victim, no crime. If the person assaulted doesn't complain then thanks to THEM we have another thug that believes it's ok to hit someone.
Profpointy
Legendary Member
Not true - my understanding is that a crime is "against the crown" hence it's not for the victim to push the issue.
There was a bizarre case where someone with some fetish got another person to nail his bollocks to a table (or something equally bizarre). It was still assault despite the victim making no complaint and quite literally "asking for it"
Whether the police can be arsed following up where the victim doesn't come forward is another matter.
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
As the cyclist doubles back, it's possible he had positioned himself to go off to the right to head up Cowcross Street. (Not open to traffic at that end right now but still open for foot traffic. And there are no turnings to the right along that block. There are a couple of side streets off to the left but there are quicker ways to get to them if you're travelling north.) As such, he would have been using the ASZ exactly for what it's there for - to manoeuvre into position in front of traffic. Audi, however, was put into a situation where the driver would have had to allow a cyclist in front of him/or pregnant her/etc, and couldn't accept it, hence the deliberate driving into the ASZ to baulk the cyclist.
