Er, no. I am not responsible for the actions of other cyclists, good or bad. I don't expect drivers to assume collective responsibility for the ones that driver dangerously.
Cyclists - Please stop at red lights
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Er, no. I am not responsible for the actions of other cyclists, good or bad. I don't expect drivers to assume collective responsibility for the ones that driver dangerously.
Hang on. She was in the ASL, and the HGV was behind her, but ran her down? How was it not the driver's fault?
I can only agree. A lot of CGBeebies can't stand Exhibition Road, but the peds have got in to the habit of fronting us and the taxicabs out - which is all to the good.
My private theory, untested by any method more scientific than longstanding observation, is that RLJ-ing is quite local. Only a small minority RLG on CS7. The great majority RLJ at Essex Road/Upper Street. How one effects a change of culture I've no idea.
Fab Foodie
hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
- Location
- Kirton, Devon.
My anecdata would suggest it's a pretty general irritation amongst other users not just confined to keyboard warriors.
Scruffmonster
Über Member
- Location
- London/Kent
How can people be bothered? Really... This is how people choose to spend a life? In front of a computer trying to force their views on someone else.(*) Anyone that’s trying to do so needs to go grab a breath of fresh air and take a slow count to ten. Even if you are chained to a desk, there’s a big old internet out there hiding lots of cool things that you don’t know about, all in plain sight.
Believe what you like. Keep it to yourself, none of this squabbling is furthering yourself as a human being. Stop wrapping up opinions as absolute answers.
I don’t mean to sound preacherish. I’m just a normal person.
This is what I believe. I don’t expect anyone else to believe me as you don’t live in my head. It can resonate with you or fall flat. It’s not that I don’t care; I just have enough about me to respect others, and then try to do my own thing to make sure I stay happy and don’t get prematurely dead.
- Going up the inside of big heavy vehicles is silly. It could save me 5 minutes (Very generous guess) over an hour’s journey, but could cost me my life. That’s how I see it. (I also believe that all cyclists should sit in an HGV sometimes. It’s an eye opener)
- Red Lights should be treated as people.
The first time you meet them, treat them with respect. A handshake, then find out what they’re about by staying quiet and paying attention.
If you ever find a group of them, it’s probably best to listen to all of them until you know where the conversation is headed before you do something inappropriate.
You may befriend a couple, and like all friends, sometimes they’ll tell you a story that you’ve already heard so just smile and wave and go about your business.
You may also find some that are so out of step with reality, maybe they’re crazy, maybe they are a throwback to different times and just don’t fit in anymore. You can ignore these without causing any harm whatsoever.
My final, unendorsed view, is that most drivers really don’t care about bikes ignoring those last two types. They really don’t. Ask em if you don’t believe me. What they generally don’t like is cyclists filtering through tiny spaces between wing mirrors to get to the ASL, not what they do when they get there. I know it makes them seem silly, but they like their cars as much as we love our bikes. So when you do this, if it’s tight, turn, put your hand up and give a friendly nod. Let em know you know what you’re doing. It sounds a bit ‘right on’, but they like it. Lots. In fact, smile and signal thanks all the time. It will make you feel better, and take the sting out of any potential situation. This is even more important when you get it wrong. If you mess up, fess up. A big exaggerated ‘S-O-R-R-Y’ and a wave and all is right with the world again.
That’s all I’ve got. I know that by replying I kind of make it sound like I think my words have more value, but they really don’t.
Play nice people
* = This is only a comment on debates that descend into name calling. This forum is wholeheartedly excellent as a source of advice on 99% of issues. Such as whether or not to wear a helmet and such. (Kidding)
Believe what you like. Keep it to yourself, none of this squabbling is furthering yourself as a human being. Stop wrapping up opinions as absolute answers.
I don’t mean to sound preacherish. I’m just a normal person.
This is what I believe. I don’t expect anyone else to believe me as you don’t live in my head. It can resonate with you or fall flat. It’s not that I don’t care; I just have enough about me to respect others, and then try to do my own thing to make sure I stay happy and don’t get prematurely dead.
- Going up the inside of big heavy vehicles is silly. It could save me 5 minutes (Very generous guess) over an hour’s journey, but could cost me my life. That’s how I see it. (I also believe that all cyclists should sit in an HGV sometimes. It’s an eye opener)
- Red Lights should be treated as people.
The first time you meet them, treat them with respect. A handshake, then find out what they’re about by staying quiet and paying attention.
If you ever find a group of them, it’s probably best to listen to all of them until you know where the conversation is headed before you do something inappropriate.
You may befriend a couple, and like all friends, sometimes they’ll tell you a story that you’ve already heard so just smile and wave and go about your business.
You may also find some that are so out of step with reality, maybe they’re crazy, maybe they are a throwback to different times and just don’t fit in anymore. You can ignore these without causing any harm whatsoever.
My final, unendorsed view, is that most drivers really don’t care about bikes ignoring those last two types. They really don’t. Ask em if you don’t believe me. What they generally don’t like is cyclists filtering through tiny spaces between wing mirrors to get to the ASL, not what they do when they get there. I know it makes them seem silly, but they like their cars as much as we love our bikes. So when you do this, if it’s tight, turn, put your hand up and give a friendly nod. Let em know you know what you’re doing. It sounds a bit ‘right on’, but they like it. Lots. In fact, smile and signal thanks all the time. It will make you feel better, and take the sting out of any potential situation. This is even more important when you get it wrong. If you mess up, fess up. A big exaggerated ‘S-O-R-R-Y’ and a wave and all is right with the world again.
That’s all I’ve got. I know that by replying I kind of make it sound like I think my words have more value, but they really don’t.
Play nice people
* = This is only a comment on debates that descend into name calling. This forum is wholeheartedly excellent as a source of advice on 99% of issues. Such as whether or not to wear a helmet and such. (Kidding)
Boris Bajic
Guest
Makes a change to have Sorry Mate I Did See You. But for RLJing cyclists are otherwise near invisible.
Which is exactly why I wear Hi-Viz..... Oh Bugger! Wrong thread. I'll get my coat. So sorry....
GrumpyGregry
Here for rides.
Pedestrian crossing points and the associated cages that are so often built to herd people towards them are, frankly, barbaric. A failure of civilisation. So not urbane.
bumpajumpa
Über Member
- Location
- Stockport
RLJing seems like a risky business to me. I try to avoid red light districts.
On my commute I stop at red lights, even the one that needs a car to trip it because it's on a sensor and a side road crossing a main road. In this case the motorist is inadvertently helping out a cyclist.
On my commute I stop at red lights, even the one that needs a car to trip it because it's on a sensor and a side road crossing a main road. In this case the motorist is inadvertently helping out a cyclist.
if there is a cycle path shared or other wise it would be legal, if there is not they would be riding illegally on the pavement either side of the crossing
SportMonkey
Guest
I've not found a sensor on my commute in to Manc that doesn't trip on my weight. As for RLJ'ing, A56, A6 or A34 you'd have to be a loon to jump some of the lights I've seen people do, especially when they jump opposing filters.
Some new information from the CTC occasioned by the recent IAM press release:
Of pedestrians injured in London in a collision caused by red light jumping only 4% involve cyclists, whereas 71% occur when a car driver jumps a red light and 13% when a motorcyclist does.
Of pedestrians injured in London in a collision caused by red light jumping only 4% involve cyclists, whereas 71% occur when a car driver jumps a red light and 13% when a motorcyclist does.
[QUOTE 1849854, member: 45"]Is 4% acceptable then? Is it more acceptable because someone else is worserer, or is that just juvenile bickering?
What percentage of pedestrians are made to feel at risk by RLJing cyclists?
.[/quote]
In the centre of Wimbledon, as a pedestrian, I cannot ever remember having to avoid a car jumping a red light after the traffic has stopped and i have a green man - i have frequently had to avoid cyclists who choose to ignore their red light and passing cars stopped at the light. I've never been injured as the relative speeds make it easy to avoid a collision, but I do always have to check for cyclists and should not have to.
What percentage of pedestrians are made to feel at risk by RLJing cyclists?
.[/quote]
In the centre of Wimbledon, as a pedestrian, I cannot ever remember having to avoid a car jumping a red light after the traffic has stopped and i have a green man - i have frequently had to avoid cyclists who choose to ignore their red light and passing cars stopped at the light. I've never been injured as the relative speeds make it easy to avoid a collision, but I do always have to check for cyclists and should not have to.
Matthew_T
"Young and Ex-whippet"
- Location
- Prestatyn, North Wales
I keep seeing cyclist jumping red lights in my area. I dont normally see a lot of them on my travels, but recently I have seen one jump a red light and going the wrong way on a one way system, and another jump the lights whilst I was waiting for the bus.
It is terrible really as it is giving everyone else (especially me who goes out the most) a bad name.
It is terrible really as it is giving everyone else (especially me who goes out the most) a bad name.
