Tynan said:jumping red lights does save time, that's a plain fact, suggesting otherwise is silly, if I spend twenty minutes a day stopped at red lights I get home 20 minutes (and some) later than if I'd ignored the lights ad kept going
simonali said:I like the prats on bikes one myself! The no lights, dark clothing brigade is growing I reckon, as I see 5 or 6 in the (dark) mornings in just a few miles on my way to or from work. This includes lads on BMXs delivering papers. If I had a son and he was off out at 6am in the winter to do a paper round I'd be checking his lights/brakes etc were working every night! Imagine losing a child because you didn't buy them some cheap LED flashers before sending them out to earn their pocket money?
The parents of these youngsters are as bad as the 'prats on bikes' themselves.
gambatte said:I've often wondered about the newsagents. These kids are employees. If they were injured whilst working and lack of lighting etc was a contributory factor....
Legally, should the newsagents ensure delivery boys not only have lights, but that they're used?
CotterPin said:I like the "Prats on bikes" idea - it's the behaviour that is the problem not the person and they are being prats if they jump lights, ride on pavements, squeeze up the inside of buses, etc whether they are a hoody or a roadie.
Gambatte, OT, you have reminded me of my earliest cycling crash when I had a paper round many many many years ago. Descending a hill at speed with a sharp right hand bend at the bottom and going over the bonnet of an approaching car.
I was uninjured but it resulted in the newsagent having to get insurance for his paper boys and girls - which he had never bothered with before.