Dacia Sandero

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tyred

Legendary Member
Location
Ireland
Are better brakes a safety aid, or a means to drive faster ? Discuss...

I am making a serious point. My 1968 Cortina had very poor, albeit predictable, roadholding. You could easily drive it to its limit and slide it round bends etc as you has loads of time to sort it out, and weren't going fast at all. A car with much better roadholding can get you into a lot more trouble, as I myself discovered (back in the day, I'm sensible now)
Better brakes and roadholding should be a safety feature but is just used as a means to drive faster which means the accident will potentially be much worse should it all go wrong.

You don't need a high performance car to enjoy driving.
 

gbb

Legendary Member
Location
Peterborough
Better brakes and roadholding should be a safety feature but is just used as a means to drive faster which means the accident will potentially be much worse should it all go wrong.

You don't need a high performance car to enjoy driving.
I learned a lot one day driving a mid 1990s Escort 1.6, a quite new car but quite standard spec, quite capable of doing 80 or 90 mph with relative ease. But try emergency stopping at that speed. Those days i wouldnt think ABS was fitted, but i effectively lost, corrected (overcorrected), lost , corrected (overcorrected) control several times over and fishtailed all over 3 lanes of road.
I got away with it but learned its not how fast a car can drive that's important, its how well it behaves in an emergency.
 

gbb

Legendary Member
Location
Peterborough
Better brakes and roadholding should be a safety feature but is just used as a means to drive faster which means the accident will potentially be much worse should it all go wrong.

You don't need a high performance car to enjoy driving.
True. My mate drives like a lunatic no matter what car he's in. He had a 2000 Ford Puma and not being familiar I thought it was a legitimate sports car when I first got in it. No it turns out that he just guns it constantly. It inevitably ended up in a ditch on the road to Campbeltown. He now drives a convertible BMW (4 series, I think?) and his alarming driving style is so much more alarming.

To me driving has always been quite a sedate activity, I don't know why people get road rage.
I mean, it goes without saying that once I get my licence one of the first things I'll do will be to take a trip to Knockhill Racing Circuit.
 

tyred

Legendary Member
Location
Ireland
I learned a lot one day driving a mid 1990s Escort 1.6, a quite new car but quite standard spec, quite capable of doing 80 or 90 mph with relative ease. But try emergency stopping at that speed. Those days i wouldnt think ABS was fitted, but i effectively lost, corrected (overcorrected), lost , corrected (overcorrected) control several times over and fishtailed all over 3 lanes of road.
I got away with it but learned its not how fast a car can drive that's important, its how well it behaves in an emergency.
The '90s model Escort was a particularly vile handling car, I had a scare with one too and I wasn't even pushing it hard.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
It always struck me that Dacia themselves gave the best advice on the Sandero. Most of the ones I see have a big sign on the side: STEPAWAY

The Stepway isn't a bad small car TBH. Bit basic, even the top of the range, but they are cheap.

I no doubt a 4* NCAP car from 5-10 years ago won't get a NCAP 2* now as the driver assist 'kit' is counted.

The old Volvo V70 won't be anywhere near the same as a new one if both tested now.
 

Moodyman

Legendary Member
I admire the principle behind Dacia. Cheap no frills transport - there are plenty of people (me included) that don't want loads of toys.

But, I'm not sure of their longevity. I've seen several of the early cars with paint fade and rust runs - the type one gets on abused trade vans.

They don't appear to have matched the quality of some of the early Skoda cars which served the same audience.
 
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fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
TBH, if you look inside the Sandero it's the same car as the Clio/Micra etc. My folks have a Stepway, had it about 4 years and it's been completely trouble free. Top of the range model but it was still super cheap.
 
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