twobiker
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But he couldn't ride a bike.......... !
Deaths when not using helmet
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But he couldn't ride a bike.......... !
Little yellow Brompton
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Thanks very much, an apt description of the kook behind BHSI, the man who once said aout the 80% figure that BHSI wouldn't use the new revised figure becuause it woudn't be worthwhile. So , now that you have found a decription of those that use the 80%+ figure do you still believe it?
Little yellow Brompton
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So? He never pronounced on cycling AFAIK so it didn't matter.
Are we to dismiss all your views on the basis you can't write best selling science fiction?
lukesdad
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To answer that first I will ask you a question. I take it your purpose for entering these debates, is to illustrate to the "ill informed" the shortcommings of wearing a helmet correct ? If this is the purpose, do you think you have made a good job of it ?
How many people who have entered into the debate have you convinced of this?
Sorry 3 questions.
When people have entered the debate with a different point of view they are immediately set upon talked down to and insulted. Some of these people may have far more experience in the world of cycling than you, but still you are not prepared to listen to what they have to say.
Do you really think this is the way to get your point across?
Why do you think so few members enter into helmet debates?
Hopefully you may take some of this on board and the quality of debate will improve.
But and its a very big but as long as you continue not to listen others will switch off and you 3 will be left jibbering away to yourselves.
That wouldn't be a bad outcome actually. I have no problem what people personally choose to wear on their heads. I do have a problem with those that evangalise helmet wearing based on nothing more than their personal beliefs. If they stopped their evangalising it would be a good outcome as far as I am concerned. If they want to continue to exercise their right in free speech then I will exercise mine too to counter any falsehoods they broadcast about helmets.
lukesdad
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I dont think Ive seen many helmet evangalists? I have seen many who have told you why they like to wear a helmet rightly or wrongly. Its the manner in which you dismiss them that I take issue with. I can see from the statement that your only goal is to win the debate and you really don t care how.
Angelfishsolo
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I would agree. I see evangelism from those who are out to prove helmet wearing is a negative thing. Just look at what happened in the "In praise of Giro thread" FFS.
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twobiker
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If you are happy and think that that description of you is complimentary then my work is done...... ps , still going to wear a hat.
twobiker
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Well I always dismiss yours on the grounds you don't know what you are talking about,
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twobiker
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Having had to adjust to the immense sense of let down on discovering the truth about Father Christmas, I now do not trust anyone but my self.
Our problem is with people who insist, in the face of all the evidence, that helmets are effective at reducing head injuries. They aren't.
I personally don't care if someone decides to wear a helmet anyway, as long as it's an informed choice. If they say "I know the evidence shows they are not effective, but I want to wear one anyway" then I don't care. If however someone says "Helmets are effective at reducing head injuries" and deploy a load of anecdotes and meaningless figures then they can expect to be challenged on it.
And what I've really got a huge problem with is the creeping threat of compulsion, using exactly the same rhetoric. (OMG, my helmet split, it would have been my head!!!)
I personally don't care if someone decides to wear a helmet anyway, as long as it's an informed choice. If they say "I know the evidence shows they are not effective, but I want to wear one anyway" then I don't care. If however someone says "Helmets are effective at reducing head injuries" and deploy a load of anecdotes and meaningless figures then they can expect to be challenged on it.
And what I've really got a huge problem with is the creeping threat of compulsion, using exactly the same rhetoric. (OMG, my helmet split, it would have been my head!!!)
Of benefit at reducing head injuries? Yes, that belief is irrational. Actually it's plain wrong.
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