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Yorksman

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You seem to be v well versed in the issues. Are you professionally involved in some way?

No, but my wife is a biomedical scientist specialising in blood sciences and I also took the time to read up on the subject. I also joined the Diabetes Forum when I was diagnosed 4 years ago. I had an HBA1c of 86 but got it down to normal levels, ie below 40 within 12 months. Having said that, I am semi retired and work from home so I have lots of time to learn, learn about food, buy the right foods and learn how to cook it. Type 2 diabetes for most people, but probably not in your case, is a disease of modern life. Too many people have to drop their kids off at pre school nursery and then have long commutes in heavy traffic to work where they sit at a desk. Lunch is a pie and a sandwich followed by a bun and at the end of the day they have a long drive back in traffic to pick the kids up from after school nursery. When they get home they are either physically too tired or mentally too tired to start peeling and washing fresh veg and preparing a healthy meal. Moreover, the kids won't let them, so, it's reaching into the freezer, grabbing a ready meal and sticking it in the oven ir microwave. Ready meals ought to come with a health warning. One of Waitrose's Mixed Wholegrain loaves only contains 6% wholemeal flour and 51% refined white flour. It also contains 43% of other unspecified stuff. See A Wholegrain of Truth. You can't beat preparing your own food. You can control what's in it.

I went to one of the Desmond courses and met a couple of men, not overweight by any means, one in his 70s the other in his 80s who were dignosed with type 2. It appears that the ageing process can bring it on too. As with most other things, you wake up in the morning and as you get older you discover that this or that doesn't work as well as it used to. It's the same with your pancreas. However, as long as you just watch what you eat, there is no reason why it should ever bother you. Many people live with it for 30 years before they have to start taking meds and even then, they start on a simple med called Metformin. All that does is make your digestive system slower. Too many people think it is a cure however, so they continue to eat all the starchy stuff they used to. You can do the same by eating foods which take longer to digest. Your GP should put you in touch with the local Desmond course organisers. Some of it is a bit silly. They showed us a plastic fried egg, sausage and bacon. At 62, I already know what these things look like. Not that these things are bad for diabetics, but they are paranoid about people getting high cholesterol levels. There are lots of good recipes online and books available.

There used to be a type of flatbread called Haverbread. It's made from oatmeal. Oats are mostly OK for most diabetics, and the Havebread below with ham and cheese and some pickle was wonderful:

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http://adambalic.typepad.com/the_art_and_mystery_of_fo/2008/01/oatcakes.html

Just don't pour melted butter with maple syrup on it, though it does taste wonderful if you do!
 

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A terrific amount of knowledge is accumulating here. I will try to prduce a summary at some time when we appear to be talked out.
 

Yorksman

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A terrific amount of knowledge is accumulating here. I will try to prduce a summary at some time when we appear to be talked out.

If you are interested in the specifics, Prof Roy Taylor at Newscastle Uni leads the research in the UK. If you ever watched the Hairy Bikers series - The Hairy Dieters, you will recognise him. His team maintain a website and below is an extract:

"A crucial point is that individuals have different levels of tolerance of fat within liver and pancreas. Only when a person has more fat than they can cope with does type 2 diabetes develop. In other words, once a person crosses their personal fat threshold, type 2 diabetes develops. Once they successfully lose weight and go below their personal fat threshold, diabetes will disappear.

Some people can tolerate a BMI of 40 or more without getting diabetes. Others cannot tolerate a BMI of 22 without diabetes appearing, as their bodies are set to function normally at a BMI of, say 19. This is especially so in people of South Asian ethnicity."

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm
 

Yorksman

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Just for a bit of fun - and definitely not recommended:

The Wigan Slappy

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The Wigan Kebab:

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ayceejay

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At 73 and pre diabetic I wouldn't worry unduly beyond paying attention to your diet. A bad combination with diabetes is high cholesterol so have this checked at your next GP visit but this is another dietary issue. Another bad combo is diabetes and high blood pressure so keep an eye on that, salt can be one factor so if you use a lot of salt in your cooking or eat a lot of processed food (check the labels) watch out for this.
 
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On the big three I score well on blood pressure and sub-optimally on blood sugar (although it has responded well to diet modification in the six weeks since diagnosis) and cholesterol (the total is marginally high but the ratio is reasonably good). I am fairly relaxed about the situation but SWMBO seeks perfection.
 

Yorksman

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I am fairly relaxed about the situation but SWMBO seeks perfection.

Mrs Yorks keeps telling me that any high levels that I might have are nothing compared to what she sees in the lab every day. In situations where I am a few points above the normal range, she often points to people being 100 points above range, "and we've been seeing him for years!"

By the way, Someone gave me this link about age related diabetes. If you can definitely rule pregnancy out, you might find this interesting:

http://www.salk.edu/news-release/blocking-immune-cell-treats-new-type-age-related-diabetes/


"New research has discovered that diabetes—or insulin resistance—in aged, lean mice has a different cellular cause than the diabetes that results from weight gain (type 2)."
If you've been eating a lot of cheese, you might have Type 4 diabetes ^_^
 
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