Don't Mess With Govan Cyclists.

[PaulSB]

Come on, there's no denying that seeing a self entitled Porsche driver getting his comeuppance by a cyclist gives quite a few of us a warm glow.

Speak for yourself. You've no evidence to support the assertion this is a self-entitled Porsche driver.

I hope the cyclist is prosecuted for assault. If he can prove the violence he has used is proportionate to the threat he perceived he'll have little to worry about.

This man's appalling behaviour does nothing to benefit the cycling community.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Come on, there's no denying that seeing a self entitled Porsche driver getting his comeuppance by a cyclist gives quite a few of us a warm glow.

How do you know that? We have no idea who instigated the confrontation or whether the driver left his car to assault the cyclist or whether he got out after being threatened or assaulted himself. You only have to look on Youtube to see the riders who go round with helmet cams spoiling for a confrontation, often with people who have done little or nothing to provoke it.

And whatever led to this, the rider ended up committing a serious illegal assault.

 

[Slick]

It's also something I saw in my profession, pretty much on a daily basis for 20 years, which might help to explain my perhaps blasé attitude towards it.
It might be truly shocking on a Sunday morning in sleepy hollow, but (not wishing to sound disrespectful to Govan) this is GOVAN! Pick a fight with a cyclist - or anyone else for that matter - at your peril.

I am well aware of your profession and what you have dealt with over the years as I've seen first hand how it affects people, so I've no doubt that it changes what shocks you and what doesn't. I also think some may have missed the significance of the location and I can only assume that the driver is a visitor to the area.

 

[Scotchlovingcylist]

It's also something I saw in my profession, pretty much on a daily basis for 20 years, which might help to explain my perhaps blasé attitude towards it.

Perhaps it is, in the same way the ED nurses I've worked with are quite accustomed to dealing with death which is something that still bothers me hence my outlook on this incident probably.

I know nothing of Govan other than its Glasgow location. I'm glad I'm not a Porsche driver there 😅

 

[Baldy]

. I also think some may have missed the significance of the location and I can only assume that the driver is a visitor to the area.

What difference does where it happened make? Assault is against the law no matter where. I am aware of where this incident happened I go there regularly for work, have done for twenty years. I've never been threatened or made to feel uncomfortable whilst there.

 

[Brandane]

This man's appalling behaviour does nothing to benefit the cycling community.

As I said a few posts ago, I reckon the Govan cyclist's actions DO benefit the cycling "community" in a way.
Saying that, I don't subscribe to this cycling community nonsense. There are nobbers on bikes, same as there are in cars. They are quite possibly the same nobbers, using different modes of transport at different times.
I ride bikes (MTB, road, tourer, ebike), drive cars, motorbikes, lorries sometimes too. My personality doesn't suddenly alter depending on what wheels I'm using!

 

[Arrowfoot]

Once a line is crossed the original incident is no longer relevant. The taller and bigger cyclist crossed that line sometime ago.

 

[Sallar55]

Think about this, why is it much safer to cycle in Europe. Over in Europe no one is afraid to stand up and fight for a cause. My view is did the driver bother to check up on the new highway code. UK cyclists are treated like scum, changes in the law are required. Car drivers moan about tax and insurance for bikes, that would be OK if the town planners could be bothered to actually provide joined up cycle routes. I would bet that most cycling infrastructure in the UK would be classed as substandard under EU guidelines.

 

[PaulSB]

As I said a few posts ago, I reckon the Govan cyclist's actions DO benefit the cycling "community" in a way.
Saying that, I don't subscribe to this cycling community nonsense. There are nobbers on bikes, same as there are in cars. They are quite possibly the same nobbers, using different modes of transport at different times.
I ride bikes (MTB, road, tourer, ebike), drive cars, motorbikes, lorries sometimes too. My personality doesn't suddenly alter depending on what wheels I'm using!

Possibly "community" was the wrong word, what I was referring to is cyclists as a group and this individual will leave a widespread impression to those reading the article or viewing the clip that cyclists are aggressive.

I do wonder though if you don't subscribe to this "community nonsense" why you bother visiting an online cycling community?

There is no conclusion that can be drawn from the video other than this was an aggressive violent individual who was clearly out of control. No amount of surmising of the driver's actions can make any difference.

You though say we need more people on the road behaving in this manner. Presumably more violent and aggressive drivers would be acceptable.

We need more psychos on bikes who are willing to drag neanderthals out of their white vans (or even Porsches) and give them a good pasting. It might eventually make the aggressive driver think twice. Not that I condone violence of course, but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire!

Judging from the tone of your posts you might qualify.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

There is no conclusion that can be drawn from the video other than this was an aggressive violent individual who was clearly out of control. No amount of surmising of the driver's actions can make any difference.

You though say we need more people on the road behaving in this manner. Presumably more violent and aggressive drivers would be acceptable.


Judging from the tone of your posts you might qualify.

A pedantic point perhaps, but the cyclist looked fairly well in control, waiting to pick his punches.

 

[Brandane]

I do wonder though if you don't subscribe to this "community nonsense" why you bother visiting an online cycling community?

I often wonder myself .
It's obviously not for the sense of perspective over a minor altercation.
Perhaps it's to have a laugh at the wringing of hands in case Govan cyclist has given the odd motorist cause to dislike us, bearing in mind the admiration that car drivers previously had for us 😂.
Had the Porsche driver been able to punch his way out of a wet paper bag, then I'm sure there would be a huge outcry amongst the Porsche driving "community" because one of their number had assaulted a poor innocent cyclist. Yeh, of course there would .

 

[Slick]

This raises a point I have often wondered, regardless of the circumstances, whomever loses the fight is usually perceived as the victim. There is more than a suggestion that the driver stepped out to teach the cyclist a lesson and picked up second prize, which is fair enough in my opinion. Obviously we can't say for sure, but obviously if the cyclist dragged the guy out because he only left him 1450mm as he passed him, then I would change my view.

 

[Slick]

What difference does where it happened make? Assault is against the law no matter where. I am aware of where this incident happened I go there regularly for work, have done for twenty years. I've never been threatened or made to feel uncomfortable whilst there.

Yes, assault is assault wherever it happens but in certain areas of the city, they are less likely to accept being bullied and have been known to let their own feelings on the subject be known.

It seems everyone's understanding of the incident is very much dependent on what they think they have seen and how much they are prepared to extrapolate the most likely reasons as to why they got there.

I reckon @Brandane has been around long enough to take a well educated guess.

 

[steveindenmark]

I cannot see it. But we all have the right to defend ourselves.

 

[Sallar55]

It was at a roundabout and looking at the position I recon the real incident was further back and he caught up and dropped bike in front of the car.