Downed by a ped on a cycle lane
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jonesy
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jonesy
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the anorak said:yeah, i thought so, no need to swear at me !!!!
anyway, a quote from your ****ing manual...
its pointless creating segregation for a reason and then NOT enforcing that reason, even on a moral level.
conclusion.... stupid
On the contrary, the stupid thing is assuming that such a segregation is enforceable. I fail to see what morals have got to with it, this is simply about trying to encourage space sharing and mutual cooperation rather than rigid interpretation of laws.
That said I would actually agree that it is pointless attempting this sort of segregation, as it never works well in practice. The irony is that it was pedestrian groups and organisations representing disabled users who were most in favour of marking separated routes for cyclists and pedestrians; sadly it is these groups who have most to lose from the misplaced conception that many cyclists have evidently gained that this somehow gives them priority, and an entitlement to harass people out of their way with an Air Zound. Which I can assure you is much ruder than using RTFM on a web forum.
summerdays
Cycling in the sun
- Location
- Bristol
Arch said:
I had that the other week taking a short cut through a park (with a cycle path) to avoid a very dark bridge and I had forgotten to put lights on the bike for the bridge. The lady grabbed her kids and pulled them off the path even though I was pootling about 7 mph and I was pulling over onto the grass to leave her the whole path anyway.
the anorak said:
I was under the impression that cars are supposed to respect pedestrians if they are on the road and give way to them - for example if turning into a side road and finding a pedestrian already in the road crossing it.
mangaman
Guest
summerdays said:
Exactly - the principle in general is walking is the basic mode of transport and takes priority over everything else (except on motorways - and there are no cycling equivalent of motorways).
Obviously people walking sometimes do unpredictable things, but that's why the onus is on everyone else to slow down and pay attention appropriately when around them
I wish I'd never posted this thread
It's a cycle lane.
I know it's shared and I have to give way.
They were the only peds for hundreds of yards.
They weren't disabled, elderly etc.
I know peds can walk where they like.
I know they do unpredictable things.
There were no children or dogs.
I called a polite warning.
I had slowed to about 2mph.
They didn't hear me.
So they wouldn't have heard a bell either.
I was only riding at 10mph prior.
They made little effort to move so I ended up in the wrong gear and the chain slipped as I tried to get around them at 2MPH then crash!
No I don't expect peds to move out of my way but I did want to get past them some time before Christmas.
I don't ride like a maniac on cycle paths.
I do respect others' rights to be there.
I normally only use cycle paths on my slower bikes, the day in question was a lack of judgement/mistake.
Have I covered everything?
I'M NOT A BAD PERSON REALLY
It's a cycle lane.
I know it's shared and I have to give way.
They were the only peds for hundreds of yards.
They weren't disabled, elderly etc.
I know peds can walk where they like.
I know they do unpredictable things.
There were no children or dogs.
I called a polite warning.
I had slowed to about 2mph.
They didn't hear me.
So they wouldn't have heard a bell either.
I was only riding at 10mph prior.
They made little effort to move so I ended up in the wrong gear and the chain slipped as I tried to get around them at 2MPH then crash!
No I don't expect peds to move out of my way but I did want to get past them some time before Christmas.
I don't ride like a maniac on cycle paths.
I do respect others' rights to be there.
I normally only use cycle paths on my slower bikes, the day in question was a lack of judgement/mistake.
Have I covered everything?
I'M NOT A BAD PERSON REALLY
summerdays
Cycling in the sun
- Location
- Bristol
Nobody ever said they don't make mistakes ... (though there may be a couple on this board with ego's large enough to try and make that claim).
Mine this morning was approaching a give way right turn out ... being distracted by a scaffolding lorry parked on the corner completely obscuring my view to the right that I wasn't looking left. Suddenly aware that as I and 8 year old in front of me are approaching the Give Way - car about to cross the double lines completely cutting the corner. Close call luckily car did stop but its my son that was put in the danger zone by me being distracted and getting annoyed at the stupid places people park.
Remember that someone may come along and read this topic and learn from it ... I've learnt tons from here and the old C+ (the main 2 things from there was about lorries and the book Cyclecraft).
And its good to vent our frustrations on here - and hopefully feel better afterwards.
). Mine this morning was approaching a give way right turn out ... being distracted by a scaffolding lorry parked on the corner completely obscuring my view to the right that I wasn't looking left. Suddenly aware that as I and 8 year old in front of me are approaching the Give Way - car about to cross the double lines completely cutting the corner. Close call luckily car did stop but its my son that was put in the danger zone by me being distracted and getting annoyed at the stupid places people park.
Remember that someone may come along and read this topic and learn from it ... I've learnt tons from here and the old C+ (the main 2 things from there was about lorries and the book Cyclecraft).
And its good to vent our frustrations on here - and hopefully feel better afterwards.
PBancroft
Senior Member
- Location
- Winchester
summerdays said:Nobody ever said they don't make mistakes ... (though there may be a couple on this board with ego's large enough to try and make that claim
I don't make mistakes. I make catastrophies.
Arch
Married to Night Train
- Location
- Salford, UK
LOGAN 5 said:
I'm struggling to understand how being in the wrong gear to go slowly would make your chain slip.
Anorak. Pedestrians have ultimate priority. Like it or lump it. Live with it.
BTW, my Mum isn't used to shared paths, there aren't many near where she lives, and not many cyclists either, and sometimes when she comes to York and we walk along the riverside path, I have to remind her to stick to one side. If anyone ever tried using an airzound on her, I'd rip it off their bike and stick down their throat. Or up somewhere else.
And while we're having a moan, what is with oncoming cyclists who think you have to keep right on cyclepaths?
i think you guys may be confusing pedestrians with sheep, they're the ones that wonder aimlessly all over the place 
yes i know that pedestrians have ultimate priority and yes i except that, in-fact i don't ever remember saying other wise.
BUT, they also have a responsibility to themselves to walk in a safe place and in a safe way. walking around a blind corner in a cycle lane is not a safe thing to do, well not in my opinion, and this is where the morals come in... they owe it to themselves and to cyclists to avoid any potential collisions as best as they can, (as do the cyclists) trust me, the last thing i want to do is run into someone
I'm not saying all pedestrians are bad and all cyclists are superhuman at all, i just thought that when people are given the options that they would choose to do the sensible/moral/correct/safe one
yes i know that pedestrians have ultimate priority and yes i except that, in-fact i don't ever remember saying other wise.
BUT, they also have a responsibility to themselves to walk in a safe place and in a safe way. walking around a blind corner in a cycle lane is not a safe thing to do, well not in my opinion, and this is where the morals come in... they owe it to themselves and to cyclists to avoid any potential collisions as best as they can, (as do the cyclists) trust me, the last thing i want to do is run into someone
I'm not saying all pedestrians are bad and all cyclists are superhuman at all, i just thought that when people are given the options that they would choose to do the sensible/moral/correct/safe one
jeltz
Veteran
- Location
- Radstock, Somerset
Well at the risk of diverting the thread the people that I find most inconsiderate on shared paths are those that let their badly trained and often aggressive dog(s) run riot off lead. Causing problems for everyone not just cyclists.
Ahh, I feel better for getting that of my chest.
Ahh, I feel better for getting that of my chest.
mangaman
Guest
Not in my experience jeltz - my behaviour is as follows
dogs not on leads - v v cautious
dogs on extendable leads - v cautious
dogs - cautious
people - cautious.
In practice I very rarely go on cycle paths unless I'm with someone and we are on a 6-10mph pootle
I use the wrd people not peds as we all surely walk around sometimes.
From the most Jeremy Clarksonesque/ to the most Sprindriftlike person everyone is a pedestrian at some point,
Similarish story to Arch, my Dad is deaf and likes walking - sometimes MTBers have come hurtling down paths we have been climbing. I have heard a whirr and the brushing aside of a few flints and grabbed him off the path as 2 or 3 "hardcore" plonkers fly round the corner at probably at least 20mph.
Ride a bike - use it as a vehicle plain and simple
I cycle as I would drive. If I approach a school at chucking out time in any vehicle I expect i-podded yoofs to step in front of me. I slow down.
If I cycle along an idyllic shared-use path on a Sunday morning I expect children / dogs to be running free and also enjoying the day - so I slow down to almost 0 unless I can see.
If I want I serious ride I ride on roads - away from schools / people as much as poss
dogs not on leads - v v cautious
dogs on extendable leads - v cautious
dogs - cautious
people - cautious.
In practice I very rarely go on cycle paths unless I'm with someone and we are on a 6-10mph pootle
I use the wrd people not peds as we all surely walk around sometimes.
From the most Jeremy Clarksonesque/ to the most Sprindriftlike person everyone is a pedestrian at some point,
Similarish story to Arch, my Dad is deaf and likes walking - sometimes MTBers have come hurtling down paths we have been climbing. I have heard a whirr and the brushing aside of a few flints and grabbed him off the path as 2 or 3 "hardcore" plonkers fly round the corner at probably at least 20mph.
Ride a bike - use it as a vehicle plain and simple
I cycle as I would drive. If I approach a school at chucking out time in any vehicle I expect i-podded yoofs to step in front of me. I slow down.
If I cycle along an idyllic shared-use path on a Sunday morning I expect children / dogs to be running free and also enjoying the day - so I slow down to almost 0 unless I can see.
If I want I serious ride I ride on roads - away from schools / people as much as poss
jeltz
Veteran
- Location
- Radstock, Somerset
I'm not specifically referring to cycling. I'm on the mutual respect side of things and just think that a minority of dog owners are ignorant and/or have a bad attitude.
Most dog owners are good and control their animals. Some however let them jump up, snarl and chase; walkers, runners, horse riders, cyclists and other dogs. The stock response is usually "He/she won't hurt!"
Last week alone I saw a dog ambush a jogger as it jumped out of long grass and I had a black lab jump up at my bike as I ambled along, the owner cycling towards me shouted "sorry suicidal dog" no lead, no way of controlling him.
I've had dogs, and have often walked other peoples my view is that if you have a disobedient or boisterous dog you keep it close to heal, if you want to run a dog then find a field not a shared cycle path or bridleway.
IMHO there are no bad dogs just owners that need training
Most dog owners are good and control their animals. Some however let them jump up, snarl and chase; walkers, runners, horse riders, cyclists and other dogs. The stock response is usually "He/she won't hurt!"
Last week alone I saw a dog ambush a jogger as it jumped out of long grass and I had a black lab jump up at my bike as I ambled along, the owner cycling towards me shouted "sorry suicidal dog" no lead, no way of controlling him.
I've had dogs, and have often walked other peoples my view is that if you have a disobedient or boisterous dog you keep it close to heal, if you want to run a dog then find a field not a shared cycle path or bridleway.
IMHO there are no bad dogs just owners that need training
