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[QUOTE 4057238, member: 9609"]is that yours in the picture ? is so what is the significance of the little rings hanging on the front.[/QUOTE]
The rings are the badge/emblem of the Perkins diesel engine company and that tractor has has had the original Standard 4 cylinder engine (could have been petrol or TVO which was a detuned version of the engine found in the Triumph TR3 sports car or a diesel as found in assorted Standard and later Leyland light commercials. They were impossible to start) swapped for a Perkins 3 cylinder diesel engine, an earlier and indirect fuel injection version of what is found in the MF35x and 135. This was a popular conversion as it was more economical than the petrol/TVO engine and easier to start and more powerful than the Standard diesel.
You can tell at a glance that the Perkins engine has been fitted as the bonnet has been raised to accommodate the larger long stroke Perkins.
The grey TE20 grew into the grey and gold FE35 and later and much more common red MF35 with Perkins AD3 rather than Standard engines after the merger with Massey-Harris. The 35 was a skillful update - improved hydraulics, longer wheelbase for better weight distribution, more power and more gears, diff lock and "live" hydraulics.
The 65 was similar in concept but fundamentally different, larger AD4 Perkins 4 cylinder diesel with around 60 HP, reduction gearing in the rear hubs to reduce stresses of more torque on the rest of the transmission, stronger front axle and lower geared steering and actually better steering lock and inboard disk brakes which were a curse. Very powerful compared to the drum brakes on the smaller tractor but they were very on/off in their use and if pulling heavy loads on the road they fade something terrible. They also prone to locking on and refusing to release unless you reverse back due to the way they are designed and horrible to work on as you need to spend a day dismantling the axle just to get to them and the components involved are very, very heavy and also carry the diff bearings...
The grey Ferguson was revolutionary and the MF35/135/148 that were developed from it were at least as good as anything else on the market in that class in their time but the MF's efforts to build big tractors were never as well executed imo. They had there plus points and were fundamentally unbreakable but other people did it better. The 65 was miles better than the outdated Fordson it competed against in 1958. By the late 60s the 165 was an outdated joke compared to the likes of the International world series tractors which were being introduced.
The rings are the badge/emblem of the Perkins diesel engine company and that tractor has has had the original Standard 4 cylinder engine (could have been petrol or TVO which was a detuned version of the engine found in the Triumph TR3 sports car or a diesel as found in assorted Standard and later Leyland light commercials. They were impossible to start) swapped for a Perkins 3 cylinder diesel engine, an earlier and indirect fuel injection version of what is found in the MF35x and 135. This was a popular conversion as it was more economical than the petrol/TVO engine and easier to start and more powerful than the Standard diesel.
You can tell at a glance that the Perkins engine has been fitted as the bonnet has been raised to accommodate the larger long stroke Perkins.
The grey TE20 grew into the grey and gold FE35 and later and much more common red MF35 with Perkins AD3 rather than Standard engines after the merger with Massey-Harris. The 35 was a skillful update - improved hydraulics, longer wheelbase for better weight distribution, more power and more gears, diff lock and "live" hydraulics.
The 65 was similar in concept but fundamentally different, larger AD4 Perkins 4 cylinder diesel with around 60 HP, reduction gearing in the rear hubs to reduce stresses of more torque on the rest of the transmission, stronger front axle and lower geared steering and actually better steering lock and inboard disk brakes which were a curse. Very powerful compared to the drum brakes on the smaller tractor but they were very on/off in their use and if pulling heavy loads on the road they fade something terrible. They also prone to locking on and refusing to release unless you reverse back due to the way they are designed and horrible to work on as you need to spend a day dismantling the axle just to get to them and the components involved are very, very heavy and also carry the diff bearings...
The grey Ferguson was revolutionary and the MF35/135/148 that were developed from it were at least as good as anything else on the market in that class in their time but the MF's efforts to build big tractors were never as well executed imo. They had there plus points and were fundamentally unbreakable but other people did it better. The 65 was miles better than the outdated Fordson it competed against in 1958. By the late 60s the 165 was an outdated joke compared to the likes of the International world series tractors which were being introduced.
