DSG - anyone have experience of these?

[SpokeyDokey]

DSG, more gears and with flappy paddles. !

I quite like the more gears and flappy paddles.

The former makes a closer match to vehicle speed & engine speed possible (unlike my early 90's Orion auto with 3 speeds!) and the latter handy when using manual mode, keeps your hands on the wheel - especially useful if you are ascending or descending very steep hills.

 

[fossyant]

I quite like the more gears and flappy paddles.

The former makes a closer match to vehicle speed & engine speed possible (unlike my early 90's Orion auto with 3 speeds!) and the latter handy when using manual mode, keeps your hands on the wheel - especially useful if you are ascending or descending very steep hills.

I have only used the flappy paddles on my 8 speed once. The auto mode is so good I leave it doing it's stuff.

 

[Jenkins]

DSG, more gears and with flappy paddles. !

Di2 for cars

 

[Profpointy]

I've known several people who ended
up scrapping otherwise perfectly good and not all that old cars because of DSG faults which were uneconomic to repair

 

[Drago]

Modern generation VW Group DSG is generally quite reliable, but in the event it shoul misbehave it can be eye-watering as the garage abally invades you.

Depending on the model and the garage its typically another £250-£400 for a DSG service, on top of the vehicle service, every 37,000 miles.

Much as I dont mind it at all, I bought my van with my own money so steered well clear of DSG and Haldex on the KISS principle - when the going's good its still bending you over unnecessarily, and when the going is bad your farts will be silent for years after, so decided just to avoid it altogether.

 

[figbat]

DSG, more gears and with flappy paddles. !

Classic automatics offer the most gears - up to 10 speed, with flappy paddles an option.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Potentially bliss on M6 jams.

Not if the driver in front is a cock

 

[Dadam]

Modern torque converter autos are a game changer. Best transmission ever; have your cake and eat it!
I can't see any point in a DSG. 4ms gearchange? Unless you're drag racing it's pointless. 0.2 seconds on my ZF8 is way faster than I can do on a good manual.

8 - 10 gears. Buttery smooth setting off and seamless changes. So relaxing to drive in traffic. Flappy paddles if you want them, or just put it into sport mode and let it do its thing.

 

[Drago]

Aye, im a big fan of a torque converter slush, but only on engines with proper grunt. The slush is a joy when tooling around in my T5 but was a sick joke in my Mum's old Chevette auto BITD.

Mind you, any car witn less than 300BHP isnt worth bothering with. May as well walk if you're that easily pleased.

 

[Bristolian]

Classic automatics offer the most gears - up to 10 speed, with flappy paddles an option.

Agreed, my 10 year old Merc has a 9-speed box and flappy paddles were a standard fit. Gear changes are silky smooth and I have to actually look at the dash display to see which gear it's in. I actually like the fact it creeps and doesn't need the parking brake for a hill start.

All that said, my next car will likely be a Skoda Superb with a DSG box but only because that's the only auto option VAG offer on their bigger cars.

 

[Gillstay]

I was impressed with a diesel DSG I drove to Belgium last year as it was very economical. Bloomin heavy if you take the box out !

 

[VinSumRox]

We have an Audi SQ2 with 7 speed DSG, it has changed my view of auto boxes, it is excellent.

 

[Drago]

Although they mimic the behaviour of an auto box, technically theyre not auto boxes. Theyre MMT's, in essence a manual box but with a computer operating the clutch (or two clutches in this instance) and activating the servos that take the place of the gear stick.

They do work extremely well in both modes, the later ones in particular. However, it is possible to fool them - the dual clutches allow the ECU to anticipate what gear you need next and have it selected and the clutch ready to engage it when required, but suddenly backing off or stamping on the loud pedal can confuse them and lead to a relatively clumsy change. Theyre good, but not supernatural.

 

[Jameshow]

Although they mimic the behaviour of an auto box, technically theyre not auto boxes. Theyre MMT's, in essence a manual box but with a computer operating the clutch (or two clutches in this instance) and activating the servos that take the place of the gear stick.

They do work extremely well in both modes, the later ones in particular. However, it is possible to fool them - the dual clutches allow the ECU to anticipate what gear you need next and have it selected and the clutch ready to engage it when required, but suddenly backing off or stamping on the loud pedal can confuse them and lead to a relatively clumsy change. Theyre good, but not supernatural.

I found they were a bit less smooth than an auto but acceptable.

VW Transporter Vs XC90 MK1....

 

[figbat]

Although they mimic the behaviour of an auto box, technically theyre not auto boxes. Theyre MMT's, in essence a manual box but with a computer operating the clutch (or two clutches in this instance) and activating the servos that take the place of the gear stick.

They do work extremely well in both modes, the later ones in particular. However, it is possible to fool them - the dual clutches allow the ECU to anticipate what gear you need next and have it selected and the clutch ready to engage it when required, but suddenly backing off or stamping on the loud pedal can confuse them and lead to a relatively clumsy change. Theyre good, but not supernatural.

They are essentially automated pre-selector boxes. But yes, the insides are like a manual box which means a much simpler construction than planetary gear sets.