E-bike Cheats
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ebikeerwidnes
Guru
- Location
- Widnes
The problem is only when some people do actually start to think they matter
and start shouting about how terrible it is that person x was cheating
when, unless they actually saw them they cannot know - they could have been on a bike that is so light and aero that no pro race woudl ever allow it
or it could be a numpty on an ebike sitting there holding teh throttle - you only have what they post
but there are always people who HAVE to be first and see any table as a race
which is one of the reasons I put all my rides as private - I don;t want to compete
I did have it as public for a while
I noticed someone claiming I was a cheat and had not done "that time" on that segment and I must have been cheating
well yes - I did - and it was on an ebike but it was logged as an ebike - and the bike make and model were correct as something that is only ever an ebike
AND my average speed was about 20 mph and faily constant at that - so the motor was not helping
but the strong tailwind might have been a factor helping the heavy bike with flat bars go that bit faster than normal!
but apparently he was "very annoyed"
and start shouting about how terrible it is that person x was cheating
when, unless they actually saw them they cannot know - they could have been on a bike that is so light and aero that no pro race woudl ever allow it
or it could be a numpty on an ebike sitting there holding teh throttle - you only have what they post
but there are always people who HAVE to be first and see any table as a race
which is one of the reasons I put all my rides as private - I don;t want to compete
I did have it as public for a while
I noticed someone claiming I was a cheat and had not done "that time" on that segment and I must have been cheating
well yes - I did - and it was on an ebike but it was logged as an ebike - and the bike make and model were correct as something that is only ever an ebike
AND my average speed was about 20 mph and faily constant at that - so the motor was not helping
but the strong tailwind might have been a factor helping the heavy bike with flat bars go that bit faster than normal!
but apparently he was "very annoyed"
ColinJ
Puzzle game procrastinator!
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- Todmorden - Yorks/Lancs border
Yes, they are (out there), and I did (see you gasping), and some of them (Calderdale hills) are (brutal)!!
Shut Up Legs
Down Under Member
It shows how little the article's author knew about cycling: for most of us, doing 52mph is a very risky exercise and not something we'd do regularly. It would be particularly dangerous on e-bikes and even more so on e-scooters, given how inherently unstable they are compared to bicycles. But then the "journalist" probably just wrote the article as clickbait, anyway.
ebikeerwidnes
Guru
- Location
- Widnes
Yes, they are (out there), and I did (see you gasping), and some of them (Calderdale hills) are (brutal)!!
There are a few bridges on my rides - and the motor will not get me up them
I normally just stand on the pedals and go for it
The motor helps - I can tell if I have switched the motor off and forgotten to put it back on - but I do have to put some effort in to get up to the top
If I take the long route to avoid puddles in winter (which is currently closed) then I have a long steep climb - not a massibe hill but you ain;t going to do it without noticing!
Yes the motor helps - but not enough to make it easy
Jenkins
Legendary Member
- Location
- Felixstowe
On Garmins and the Android app version of Strava you can change the record mode from 'Ride' to 'E-Bike Ride' so it uploads correctly without needing to be changed post upload.
Don't know about other head units and the iPhone app though.
ebikeerwidnes
Guru
- Location
- Widnes
Yes that is how my rides are logged
didn't stop one person saying I was cheating though!
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
So why are you bothered that people are "cheating" on it?
Look forward to answers from Florida @AlBaker
Is uploading rides on e-bikes to Strava "cheating"?
If you "never use Strava" have you any idea how it works?
Have you cheated in some way (not e-bikes)?
Is this guilt what triggered you to start this thread?
You ask "why do people cheat?"
How about making some suggestions and see if others agree?
ebikeerwidnes
Guru
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- Widnes
Clearly using Strava on an ebike is fine as long as it is set as an ebike ride and not a normal bike ride
What I used to think was dodgy was the fact than when my ride were public they appeared on the leaderboard with no flags saying they were on an ebike
As I was never near the top - as I wasn't actually trying to get on the board - then it was not obvious, so I never checked to see if it stayed there
but I did wonder if people might take offence if they checked and saw that my bike was a Raleigh Motus - and therefore an ebike
Thing is - on flats or downhills which most of them are - the fact that it has a motor is irrelevant as the motor cuts out at 15.5 mph and the speed would be over that
but i do wonder how people know that a certain time was set on an ebike and not a normal one
in some cases I think it may be "because it is obvious" or "everyone knows"
What I used to think was dodgy was the fact than when my ride were public they appeared on the leaderboard with no flags saying they were on an ebike
As I was never near the top - as I wasn't actually trying to get on the board - then it was not obvious, so I never checked to see if it stayed there
but I did wonder if people might take offence if they checked and saw that my bike was a Raleigh Motus - and therefore an ebike
Thing is - on flats or downhills which most of them are - the fact that it has a motor is irrelevant as the motor cuts out at 15.5 mph and the speed would be over that
but i do wonder how people know that a certain time was set on an ebike and not a normal one
in some cases I think it may be "because it is obvious" or "everyone knows"
We did slow races at motorcycle events. Put your foot down and you're out of the race. I like slow bicycle races because anything over 8 mph (13 km) is too hard..
You should get an e bike then you will be able to ride at 15.5 mph.😉
Jenkins
Legendary Member
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- Felixstowe
There are a few segments shown on Strava when you correctly upload your ride as an E-Bike ride - way fewer than for 'normal' bikes but there's notig stopping you from creating your own.
Would it be cheating if I was to take an unassisted bike out for a ride and then upload as an E-bike ride to claim a few KOMs that way
Would it be cheating if I was to take an unassisted bike out for a ride and then upload as an E-bike ride to claim a few KOMs that way
ebikeerwidnes
Guru
- Location
- Widnes
There are a few segments shown on Strava when you correctly upload your ride as an E-Bike ride - way fewer than for 'normal' bikes but there's notig stopping you from creating your own.
Would it be cheating if I was to take an unassisted bike out for a ride and then upload as an E-bike ride to claim a few KOMs that way
I can;t do it now as all my rides a private
but when they were public my rides all appeared along with non-electric bike
which was one of the reasons I went back to private
even now - when I check after a ride - such as when there was a gale force wind across The Bridge - it looked very much like my ride was lumped in with all bikes
has this changed - or am I looking at it wrong??
Jenkins
Legendary Member
- Location
- Felixstowe
As I pointed out earlier, on Garmin GPS systems and the Android Strava app you have to change the ride mode to 'Ebike Ride' before you start recording and then on completion of the ride it automatically uploads to the correct heading as per my ride yesterday as below.
It is also possible to edit the ride mode from 'Ride' to 'E-bike Ride' after it's been uploaded to Strava to put it into the correct category.
ebikeerwidnes
Guru
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- Widnes
Yes - I agree - that happens to me as well
what I meant - but didn;t explain too well - was the entry on the segments leaderboards
even though my ride are logged a ebike rides when I look at my records
when I look at the segments I appear along with other bikes
not sure if the fact that it was an ebike ride would be clear to other people if it was public
