Emma on Way to court

[Pale Rider]

If Ms Way's driving was careless, and the 'evidence' in the public domain is far from conclusive, this is about the weediest case of careless driving one could come across.

It would have been an ideal candidate for the new fixed penalty arrangements, were they in force at the time.

 

[ufkacbln]

To me the issue here is that she is still of the opinion that "my mistake was posting on Twiiter", and THAT is what she is apologising for.

She is still failing to demonstrate any understanding that (by her own evidence) she drives regularly in a careless, reckless and even reckless manner, knocked someone off their bike, then shows that she felt that she had not done anything wrong because the other person was inferior to her for reasons that are pathetic and non -existent

It is only by luck that she did not kill or seriously injure that person

She chose to show her true colours and put her head above the parapet as a target and for many she has become typical of many drivers out there who share her opinions, and see this as a "test case" where it can be clearly and publicly demonstrated that her standards are unacceptable

She and all the other drivers who drive as she does need to have the unequivocal fact that they are arrogant, ignorant and dangerous driver beaten through their thick skulls with a very big stick

The appropriate stick in this case is the law

 

[livpoksoc]

No, they should be treated as the one issue. She drove someone off the road, failed to stop as required, failed to report it, as required. And then brags about what she'd just done on twitter. Whilst still driving the same vehicle. I thought that mobile phone use(hand held) whilst driving had been illegal for some years in this country.

Would you want the same rule to apply if the vehicle that she forced off the road had been a motor vehicle. Somehow I don't think so, nor do I think it would have been allowed to drag on quite so long as it has done. Nor would she have been allowed to give her side of the story on national TV, prior to any hearing taking place.

We, as cyclists have as much right to be able to use the roads as any car driver. Whatever their thoughts about us, and what that gives them the "right" to do to us. And that is just as important to get across as the fact that what she did, and bragged about doing were & are wrong.

I fully understand what was illegal about her actions & hope the judge assesses these actions fully including her attitude of trying to play the victim after she tweeted.

What I'm saying is that one stupid act that fed another in a desperate attempt to get out of it (whether led by herself or her legal advisor) shouldn't result in her being labelled a monster and her entire life ruined. If her attitude about cyclists remain unchanged then obviously the cycling community will be unrelenting in the way she is spoken about either directly or not. If she does see the error of her ways then you would hope the punishment she is handed is fair and respected by all so that everyone involved can go back to normal as best they can.

 

[classic33]

I fully understand what was illegal about her actions & hope the judge assesses these actions fully including her attitude of trying to play the victim after she tweeted.

What I'm saying is that one stupid act that fed another in a desperate attempt to get out of it (whether led by herself or her legal advisor) shouldn't result in her being labelled a monster and her entire life ruined. If her attitude about cyclists remain unchanged then obviously the cycling community will be unrelenting in the way she is spoken about either directly or not. If she does see the error of her ways then you would hope the punishment she is handed is fair and respected by all so that everyone involved can go back to normal as best they can.

Why not. Her "one stupid action" could have killed another person. She's shown no remorse for what she did at the time or in the immediate aftermath. Her only remorse has been for herself. I've not seen her asking if the person she ran off the road was ok, at any time. So she can't be bothered.

She's sorry because she was caught out by her own stupid acts, following the incident. Never having met her, but like most who have heard of the case, for me, her actions come over as arrogant, ignorant & verging on taking delight in what she's been able to get away with.

Now she's been caught it was all a stupid mistake & she's now trying to play the victim in this. That for me doesn't cut it. As for the job, the adverse publicity that this idiot brought them will take more time to correct than simply suspending her from it. Even if she's allowed back, the stain will always be there.

 

[Boris Bajic]

I fully understand what was illegal about her actions & hope the judge assesses these actions fully including her attitude of trying to play the victim after she tweeted.

What I'm saying is that one stupid act that fed another in a desperate attempt to get out of it (whether led by herself or her legal advisor) shouldn't result in her being labelled a monster and her entire life ruined. If her attitude about cyclists remain unchanged then obviously the cycling community will be unrelenting in the way she is spoken about either directly or not. If she does see the error of her ways then you would hope the punishment she is handed is fair and respected by all so that everyone involved can go back to normal as best they can.

I'm not disagreeing with your post, which I find persuasive...

I'm just noting the similarity with the case of Huhne and Pryce, where one stupid act (a lie) led to another thing and another and another and they ended up in Clink.

A lot of posts (not yours) associate her crassness and her lack of awareness of consequence with her youth. The cases of Huhne and Pryce (and several others) suggest that youth is only a small part of it.

 

[classic33]

[QUOTE 2601962, member: 30090"]Its like you are trying to Imply that people wantonly use thier car as a lethal weapon. Thats not true.

She will get off though.

Her word against his regarding the incident and the tweet she'll pass off as some macho bravado and that none of it was actually true regarding her tweet.[/quote]

Some do: http://www.cyclechat.net/threads/cromford-road-rage-appeal-for-information.137615/

 

[Hip Priest]

To me the issue here is that she is still of the opinion that "my mistake was posting on Twiiter", and THAT is what she is apologising for.

She has stated all along that she came round a blind bend to find a cyclist on her side of the road, who she collided with. The unfortunate cyclist was taking part in a sportive at the time. And anyone who has ridden a sportive will know that she might well be telling the truth.

Doesn't excuse her not stopping mind.

 

[Spinney]

She has stated all along that she came round a blind bend to find a cyclist on her side of the road, who she collided with. The unfortunate cyclist was taking part in a sportive at the time. And anyone who has ridden a sportive will know that she might well be telling the truth.

Doesn't excuse her not stopping mind.

But didn't she also state on TV that she didn't actually hit the cyclist? Can't have it both ways...

 

[Milzy]

We are just going around in circles here, we must be less hateful & just let the authorities do their jobs.

 

[Pale Rider]

She has stated all along that she came round a blind bend to find a cyclist on her side of the road, who she collided with. The unfortunate cyclist was taking part in a sportive at the time. And anyone who has ridden a sportive will know that she might well be telling the truth.

Doesn't excuse her not stopping mind.

Quite so.

I expect her evidence will be on the lines of: "I drove around the bend as normal and was confronted by two cyclists, riding at speed, in the middle of the road."

That could even be true, and if it's accepted it is hard to see how she can be convicted of careless driving.

 

[Hip Priest]

But didn't she also state on TV that she didn't actually hit the cyclist? Can't have it both ways...

I think her argument is that he clipped her wing mirror and ended up in the hedge.

 

[ufkacbln]

I fully understand what was illegal about her actions & hope the judge assesses these actions fully including her attitude of trying to play the victim after she tweeted.

What I'm saying is that one stupid act that fed another in a desperate attempt to get out of it (whether led by herself or her legal advisor) shouldn't result in her being labelled a monster and her entire life ruined. If her attitude about cyclists remain unchanged then obviously the cycling community will be unrelenting in the way she is spoken about either directly or not. If she does see the error of her ways then you would hope the punishment she is handed is fair and respected by all so that everyone involved can go back to normal as best they can.

Sorry and don't take this as being personal, but this "don't ruin their lives' mentality is becoming absurd

Someone with points on their license has shown that they are unable to drive, and the fact that we accept the bleating that it would affect their lives is something that they should take into account when driving like a muppet

It is the reason why we have people driving around with consistent bad driving that the law has done nothing to address the driver's attitudes and abilities

We had a cyclist killed a few yeras ago by a driver, driving legally with over 20 convictions including jail sentences for drink driving, dangerous driving, and driving whilst disqualified

We have a driver in Swindon still driving with 39 points on his license as removing it would cause them "hardship"

There are over 8,000 drivers with more than 12 points, three with more than 30 points, and another with 33... because the system places their "right" to endanger others is greater than our right to be saved from their appalling driving and the dangers they represent

It is about time that these muppets were removed from the roads FULL STOP

 

[classic33]

We have taxi & private hire drivers who have used similar arguments to those given above to keep driving. And these are people who drive for a living.

 

[Pale Rider]

Comparing this woman to drivers who kill cyclists/have 39 points/assault cyclists is ludicrous.

No wonder some drivers think some cyclists are idiots.

 

[livpoksoc]

Sorry and don't take this as being personal, but this "don't ruin their lives' mentality is becoming absurd

Someone with points on their license has shown that they are unable to drive, and the fact that we accept the bleating that it would affect their lives is something that they should take into account when driving like a muppet

It is the reason why we have people driving around with consistent bad driving that the law has done nothing to address the driver's attitudes and abilities

We had a cyclist killed a few yeras ago by a driver, driving legally with over 20 convictions including jail sentences for drink driving, dangerous driving, and driving whilst disqualified

We have a driver in Swindon still driving with 39 points on his license as removing it would cause them "hardship"

There are over 8,000 drivers with more than 12 points, three with more than 30 points, and another with 33... because the system places their "right" to endanger others is greater than our right to be saved from their appalling driving and the dangers they represent

It is about time that these muppets were removed from the roads FULL STOP

Not taken it personally...but i don't see how these cases you list have much to do with this one.

I get that driver ignorance and superiority complexes are a widely experienced mindset that public policy needs to address, however many vociferous people (not just cyclists) out there seem to be praying for an example to made of this young lady. What she's done is stupid (from start to finish) but she doesn't deserve to lose her job & this is one of many examples of young people not understanding the large catchment of the audience the internet provides and ending up under extreme scrutiny from a range of people who go from the rightly concerned to the bored and snide who want her to suffer as if she is not human.