Shock news that Electric Vehicle designed to be an Electric Vehicle does better than two cars that weren't.
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Shock news that Electric Vehicle designed to be an Electric Vehicle does better than two cars that weren't.
By ICE automakers. Tesla are not an ICE automaker. They aren't trying to reuse parts and tech from their ICE cars. Sure the platform and chassis are new, but a lot of the underlying parts I would have thought would be standard across their range with the attendant weight etc
I agree, but often it's corner cutting. For example, I'm pretty sure that the 12v battery in my ID4 is a bog standard ICE 12v battery rather than a re-engineered one that is considerably lighter (and smaller capacity) like you find in a Tesla.
To be fair, there is probably also the element that as a market driving force, Tesla needed the car to have as much range as possible to attract ICE drivers, whereas coming into a saturated market, VW aren't that bothered about 20 miles of range.
markemark
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Dunno. I am happy with the range of my EV as I don't do many miles so it wasn't a major consideration. If I did, then I would have seriously considered the Tesla due to its range. Not any more though as Elon will not get a penny out of me. So if my driving needs did suddenly change I'm not quit sure where I'd look. Another supplier that could offer similar would then become the answer.
That's sort of what I meant. In the early days range was incredibly important for Tesla's sales. Now that more and more people are driving EVs, 250 vs 290 miles actually doesn't make much difference in the UK. I'm just outsider of London so I want a range that comfortably gets me to Birmingham for a recharge.
Vocal minority, when actually there is good demand for Tesla and many other EVs on the used market
View: https://youtu.be/uMzWUhv8HX4?si=ix2RA1vHjeT4RqcI
markemark
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Nah. Their sales are tanking. EV sales are rising double digits and Tesla are shrinking. Tesla 2nd hand market is being flooded with people dumping them.
The drop in Europe is accelerating.
The trade wars in China will push the local market away from US made. The core Tesla market in the US is turning away. The only reason TSLA shares recouped $70 from the $250 drop is due to the perceived upside of robotaxis. The benefit remains to be seen. There’s a reasonable chance the Tesla branded taxis won’t be that popular either.
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Jameshow
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Tesla will be the Nokia or blackberry imho.
Innovators and market leaders for the past decade but it's hard to compete with established quality brands and Chinese cheaper brands. They only reason Tesla did so well is that they were unique. Not anymore. RIP Tesla!
That's a little unfair. The main reason that they did so well is that they were miles ahead technologically. The gap is closing but many manufacturers are still a long way away.
My 2022 ID4 is roughly the same retail price as a Tesla 3 or Y (probably between the two). Some of the differences:
- Seat in the ID4 is a manual seat. In both Teslas it's fully electric and adjusts to the user entering the car
- Wing mirrors - the Tesla has wing mirror cameras that display screen in screen images on the centre screen the ID doesn;t.
- Centre console. The ID4 has a small unresponsibe touch screen console. The Tesla has a huge, very well designed one.
- Air con. When you approach a Tesla it immediately starts pre-conditioning. On a hot day the air con will be on before you open the door. In the ID4 unless you have set a schedule, nothing will happen until you press the "on" button.
- Entertainment: The Tesla remembers the users preferences. The ID4 has constant amnesia. Can't even bring the volume back on at the same level it was when you exited the car.
- Driver aids: ID4 has autosteer which is very low grade and it can do follow but constantly turns it off. Tesla has autopilot as standard which is years ahead of the ID4 aids
- Boot - the ID4 has a manual boot, Both Tesla have a boot with automatic opening.
- Tesla have developed cabin modes "dog mode", "kid mode". The ID4 cannot have anything left in the car.
- All controls (pretty much) in a Tesla are in the touchscreen and can be seen in the dark. A number of controls in the ID4 are physical and have no backlighting (e.g. air conditioning controls).
Tesla has a marked advantage in only having a few models whereas VW develop their software and apply it across a large range of cars, EV, ICE and Hybrid.
They are still ahead with the tech but the aspiration of FSD that many of us really wanted, is turning out to be vapourware. And as we said, whilst VW's tech might be crap, there are vendors who are working hard to close the cap - Hyundai, Jaguar etc.
Jameshow
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But the majority of owners (excluding early adopters) aren't particularly excited by all that tech carp and just want a good car with reasonable features and good range!)
For that reason the Chinese will beat them hands down!
