Fairytales

[Edwardoka]

Fairy tales usually exist to instill a set of values or drill "common sense" into someone at a young age. e.g Don't go out into the woods alone or a big bad wolf will get you, don't eat yellow snow, there's a man in the sky who watches you and you won't get into his gated retirement complex if you're bad etc etc

If those values are deemed either culturally obsolete or contain abhorrent garbage then it is natural that the stories will evolve or disappear.

To give my favourite example of this, compare Geoffrey of Monmouth's stuff with Le Morte d'Arthur and Chaucer's stuff. Wildly different, highlighting different aspects of people. Some in an attempt to shoehorn their desired contemporary ethics (e.g. the trope of the purity-driven chivalrous knight) others because they were crap writers and felt that every story needs a weepy tragic romance involving dishonour and infidelity. *glares at Chrétien de Troyes*

Which of course leads us to the final evolution of that fable, Monty Python and the Holy Grail - which as everyone knows, is both canonical and historically accurate, and completely within the spirit of the age in which it was created.

 

[Mugshot]

[QUOTE 5417296, member: 9609"]considering the vast amount of hard core pornography readily available to everyone (even if you have all the 'safegaurd' filters provided by your ISP enabled), along with all the shoot em up violent computer games - why is anyone worrying about fairytales corrupting our children. Weird values now.[/QUOTE]
It's quite a big leap from fairy tales to hard core pornography, but it sort of proves a point.
One of the things that we know about children is that they are like sponges, their early experiences, what they see and what they hear, everything shapes and influences their minds. If we keep telling them that women are basically helpless without a man, that they are responsible for cooking and cleaning, that looks matter and so on (I'm not going near my views on royalty) don't you think it's at least possible that some of this will sink in, and if it does, do you not think that this is not necessarily a good thing? I don't personally see anything wrong with giving children positive role models and at least considering what we let them watch and what we read to them, rather like you already do with pornography.

 

[Mugshot]

[QUOTE 5417407, member: 9609"]what are you exactly saying here - I let my children watch pornography ?[/QUOTE]
You know that's precisely the opposite of what I said, as was recently said in another thread about you, "You're better than this."

 

[Edwardoka]

[QUOTE 5417407, member: 9609"]what are you exactly saying here - I let my children watch pornography ?[/QUOTE]

To my mind even the least charitable reading of @Mugshot's post wouldn't come to a conclusion other than "this person is saying that children are impressionable and we should consider the implications of the media we choose to allow children to consume and we should exercise editorial oversight - for example, you wouldn't let your children watch pornography."
Not sure how you came to literally the opposite conclusion. I'm a pedantic git and while the clause is ambiguous, the meaning is clear and any willful misinterpretation is entirely on your part.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

What I find extremely funny about this is the people who are making a song & dance about it were brought up with these fairy tales & Disney cartoons, yet they turned out alright, so clearly they don't trust their own parenting skills or their children to differentiate.

 

[Julia9054]

What I find extremely funny about this is the people who are making a song & dance about it were brought up with these fairy tales & Disney cartoons, yet they turned out alright, so clearly they don't trust their own parenting skills or their children to differentiate.

By "turned out alright" I guess you mean are able to acknowledge the lack of decent female heroines in the fiction they read and want something a bit more inspiring for their own children?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

By "turned out alright" I guess you mean are able to acknowledge the lack of decent female heroines in the fiction they read and want something a bit more inspiring for their own children?

Now the lack of decent heroines is a different subject on which I totally agree.

 

[MontyVeda]

Chicken Licken's good though.

 

[Mugshot]

What I find extremely funny about this is the people who are making a song & dance about it were brought up with these fairy tales & Disney cartoons, yet they turned out alright, so clearly they don't trust their own parenting skills or their children to differentiate.

What's bordering on hilarious is the people getting bent out of shape when it's merely suggested that children may be influenced by all manner of sources, and that because of that it may be at least worth considering the messages they are receiving. Who knew there were so many middle aged male fans of Disney princesses on CC.
I've just got back from taking my granddaughter to see Incredibles 2. It was ok, not great. However, Elastigirl was the main superhero, while Mr Incredible stayed home looking after the kids, it's hardly worthy of note in many respects, aside from the fact that it's worthy of note because it's so unusual. Despite this crazy role reversal experiment, the film didn't suffer, the earth continued to turn, Mr Incredible wasn't emasculated and the kids enjoyed it.
It's really not that difficult to show women in more positive, independent roles. It does make you wonder why some people seem so reluctant to do so.

 

[Drago]

Slebs getting upset over fairytales? Holy Trump. If a certain Mr A.Hitler came to power today our country would fall immediately, as the best resistance we could put up would be a few tartly worded letters to The Guardian.

 

[Mugshot]

Slebs getting upset over fairytales? Holy Trump. If a certain Mr A.Hitler came to power today our country would fall immediately, as the best resistance we could put up would be a few tartly worded letters to The Guardian.

Oh I dunno, there seems to be plenty of warriors on CC, why the place is simply awash with testosterone.

 

[Dirk]

Oh I dunno, there seems to be plenty of warriors on CC, why the place is simply awash with testosterone.

A bit like a UCI Masters podium.....

 

[Drago]

Oh I dunno, there seems to be plenty of warriors on CC, why the place is simply awash with testosterone.

Max conscription age is traditionally 52, and with previous time in green id be in as a senior NCO or even a Rupert. I've have you lot licked into shape as an effective fighting force in no time. That said, there would be no ribald American marching cadence songs for fear that Kiera Knightley gets a bit upset over it.

 

[Mugshot]

Max conscription age is traditionally 52,

I suspect that's 3/4s of the membership out then, they'll have to pen critical posts from the sidelines.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Mr Incredible stayed home looking after the kids, it's hardly worthy of note in many respects, aside from the fact that it's worthy of note because it's so unusual.

Is it really? Maybe in your world, but not in the real one.