mybike
Grumblin at Garmin on the Granny Gear
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Did a search & there are 38 references to that song, I even quoted it recently!
https://www.cyclechat.net/posts/3757494/
Fined for hogging the middle of the road
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Did a search & there are 38 references to that song, I even quoted it recently!
https://www.cyclechat.net/posts/3757494/
I must have had a brain trump...
mybike
Grumblin at Garmin on the Granny Gear
- Location
- Not 'emel 'empstead
A large part of that is because people are not moving over to let faster traffic through, if the overtaking lanes were used correctly then the roads capacity can be actually be used, as it is with vehicles sitting in middle and outside lanes capacity is reduced and all the speeds go down.
Nigel-YZ1
Guru
- Location
- Somewhere else... maybe soon.
The biggest problems on ther roads is people trying to 'punish' each other. Too many angry people in tin boxes.
Most of my M1 driving at the moment is through the 50mph roadworks where the artics carry on at their throttle limiters trying to shove cars out of lane 2. Speeding drivers tend to use lane 2 as going at 80 in lane 3 stands out too much.
Conclusion: It's taken 10 months to get a lane hog conviction because the few police left have got other things to do and all the cameras are switched off. Averages peed cameras certainly aren't being used and speed cameras are now being removed.
It's laughable that we have to have a thread about the least annoying and inconvenient offence in the book.
Just makes you wonder whether all the other crap is being silently condoned.
Most of my M1 driving at the moment is through the 50mph roadworks where the artics carry on at their throttle limiters trying to shove cars out of lane 2. Speeding drivers tend to use lane 2 as going at 80 in lane 3 stands out too much.
Conclusion: It's taken 10 months to get a lane hog conviction because the few police left have got other things to do and all the cameras are switched off. Averages peed cameras certainly aren't being used and speed cameras are now being removed.
It's laughable that we have to have a thread about the least annoying and inconvenient offence in the book.
Just makes you wonder whether all the other crap is being silently condoned.
I like this idea of a warning sign but not sure why the driver should be able to turn it off
John the Monkey
Frivolous Cyclist
- Location
- Crewe
Over The Hill
Guru
- Location
- Ridden off into the sunset
[QUOTE 3760416, member: 45"]This issue is not an issue if your 70mph driver is using the correct lanes.[/QUOTE]
It is an issue as I have explained in the post -
"So is it that those doing 70 should be inconvenienced and slowed down to 60 by being pushed into lane 1 to allow those who are speeding to have free run of lanes two and three. "
If you are doing 70 in lane 2 there should not legally be anyone up your arse or wishing to overtake you.
You are deemed a lane hog by someone coming up on you at over 70.
If you then move to lane 1 in between the traffic doing 60, a few seconds later you have to slow down to 60 as you cannot get back out into lane 2 as it has the numpty doing 80 in it.
I do accept the highway code and know what lanes it states to be correct and I would not think it right to sit in the middle lane with no other traffic. BUT the reality is that you are doing 70, overtake a lorry and then can see another lorry just ahead a little way.
This issue is not an issue if your70mph 80mph driver is using the correct lanes speed
It is an issue as I have explained in the post -
"So is it that those doing 70 should be inconvenienced and slowed down to 60 by being pushed into lane 1 to allow those who are speeding to have free run of lanes two and three. "
If you are doing 70 in lane 2 there should not legally be anyone up your arse or wishing to overtake you.
You are deemed a lane hog by someone coming up on you at over 70.
If you then move to lane 1 in between the traffic doing 60, a few seconds later you have to slow down to 60 as you cannot get back out into lane 2 as it has the numpty doing 80 in it.
I do accept the highway code and know what lanes it states to be correct and I would not think it right to sit in the middle lane with no other traffic. BUT the reality is that you are doing 70, overtake a lorry and then can see another lorry just ahead a little way.
This issue is not an issue if your
Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
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- Northumberland
If a vehicle moves into the middle or outside lane to pass another vehicle travelling at a slower speed, it does not matter how fast they are going and anything approaching from behind should adjust their speed to suit and wait, even if this is a car or a van driving at 60mph in the outside lane passing a lorry doing 56mph in the middle lane passing another vehicle doing 50mph in the slow lane as long as all vehicles move back into the inner lane as soon as practically possible, unless there is another vehicle to pass.
The 70mph limit is the maximum speed, not the minimum!
The 70mph limit is the maximum speed, not the minimum!
Pathfoot
Regular
Populated by CLODs. (Centre Lane Only Drivers.)
mybike
Grumblin at Garmin on the Granny Gear
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- Not 'emel 'empstead
And most of the queueing is caused by those who are doing the maximum possible speed.
Over The Hill
Guru
- Location
- Ridden off into the sunset
[QUOTE 3762001, member: 45"]If you should be in lane one it doesn't matter what's going on behind you.
If you should be in lane one it doesn't matter what's going on behind you.
If you should be in lane one it doesn't matter what's going on behind you.
If you should be in lane one it doesn't matter what's going on behind you.
If you're bothered about whether numpty is going to let you back out, don't be. It's not your road. If he's not letting you out that's his bad behaviour. You can't blame him for making you do the wrong thing.
Then you'll know the hints like the ten second rule. This should stop you pretending that the problem is about being forced to slow down and get out of someone else's way.
The issue is not an issue if you're doing what you should. As I said, if you're doing the right thing you don't need to worry about anyone else.[/QUOTE]
You seem to have a very blinkered view and only see one side of the issue.
Can you confirm that you agree that someone doing 80 on a motorway, should not be doing 80 on a motorway.
If you should be in lane one it doesn't matter what's going on behind you.
If you should be in lane one it doesn't matter what's going on behind you.
If you should be in lane one it doesn't matter what's going on behind you.
If you're bothered about whether numpty is going to let you back out, don't be. It's not your road. If he's not letting you out that's his bad behaviour. You can't blame him for making you do the wrong thing.
Then you'll know the hints like the ten second rule. This should stop you pretending that the problem is about being forced to slow down and get out of someone else's way.
The issue is not an issue if you're doing what you should. As I said, if you're doing the right thing you don't need to worry about anyone else.[/QUOTE]
You seem to have a very blinkered view and only see one side of the issue.
Can you confirm that you agree that someone doing 80 on a motorway, should not be doing 80 on a motorway.
Over The Hill
Guru
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- Ridden off into the sunset
[QUOTE 3762377, member: 45"]Yes, but that has absolutely no bearing on my driving behaviour.[/QUOTE]
Well that is the case if you have a blinkered view.
I am simply putting the point that the issue only arises 90% of the time with the so called road hog actually driving along at the maximum speed.
If you go abroad (I have driven in the USA and Canada) where everyone is going along at the same speed (the legal limit and not a single mph more) then the issue does not arise. Over there they have very bad lane discipline but no one is deemed a road hog.
You seem set on just seeing the issue, where I am looking at the causes of the issue.
Well that is the case if you have a blinkered view.
I am simply putting the point that the issue only arises 90% of the time with the so called road hog actually driving along at the maximum speed.
If you go abroad (I have driven in the USA and Canada) where everyone is going along at the same speed (the legal limit and not a single mph more) then the issue does not arise. Over there they have very bad lane discipline but no one is deemed a road hog.
You seem set on just seeing the issue, where I am looking at the causes of the issue.
No mention has yet been made of the fact that HGVs are not allowed into the right most lane, where there are 3 or more lanes. This is where the 50 mph middle lane hog becomes a real PITA as they sit there oblivious, listening to radio 4. HGV in lane 1 (NOT the "slow lane"; it's supposed to be the default lane unless overtaking) doing his restricted maximum of 56 mph (this despite the speed limit for an HGV being 60 mph on motorways) comes upon Archers fan doing 50 mph in middle lane with nothing in front of them. HGV moves into lane 2, hoping that the car will move into lane 1 to let the lorry past. Car nobber with zero knowledge of highway code assumes HGV will use right most lane to pass, so doesn't move.
I see this happening frequently. HGV returns to lane 1 and overtakes up the inside. This could be legal or not, depending on the definition of "slower moving traffic".
HC rule 268 is open to interpretation.
I see this happening frequently. HGV returns to lane 1 and overtakes up the inside. This could be legal or not, depending on the definition of "slower moving traffic".
HC rule 268 is open to interpretation.
Over The Hill
Guru
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- Ridden off into the sunset
[QUOTE 3762409, member: 45"]No you're not. You're suggesting that bad drivers make other drivers slow to 60 to slot into gaps in the nearside line. And I'm saying that's not true and that if you're doing that in response then you're choosing to drive poorly. Too many drivers blame others for their own unnecessary and poor driving behaviour.[/QUOTE]
I think I will give up on this one. You still don't see that the speeding causes the so called lane hogging so is one of the factors in the issue.
I think I will give up on this one. You still don't see that the speeding causes the so called lane hogging so is one of the factors in the issue.
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