First electric car experience

[Pale Rider]

Actually what Tesla have shown is the importance of software integration customers in the £50k+ price level wants/expects. Tesla is a software company first and car company second, and everything they do reflects that. If you don't get why mobile apps are such big things for companies, or why companies like Amazon and Peloton have completely rewritten the rule book on delivering a totally different customer experience using digital technology than you will never 'get' why Tesla get such loyalty and positive feedback from owners.

I will happily tell everyone I know our Tesla has been the MOST UNRELIABLE car I have ever owned, but at the same time I will tell them its by far THE BEST car I have ever owned and we as a family would swap our ultrareliable Lexus for another Tesla in a heartbeat (finances been not an issues).

Our Tesla isn't just a car, its somewhere to play when whilst waiting out for the rain to stop.

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Trying to fiddle with complex sat navs on tiny screen for navigation is just something no one should need to put up with in a car.

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The software updates over the our ownership has turned a car that was as 'dumb' as any other to one that essentially is more aware of whats on the road than me!!

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Than ofcourse is the 'promise' of autonomy, if you haven't seen the update on developments its worth watching....Ignore the crazy Elon on drugs talk about 'robots' at the end .

The actual software been developed by Tesla is cutting edge and just advanced as anything DeepMind is implementing. But the difference here is the software stacks been written are been designed to be DEPLOYED in real life, in cars like mine which remember was produced in 2017. Which other car made in 2017 has any hope of getting a single software update, let alone having neural network software so advanced been pushed to it over the air without ever visiting a dearship!!

If you have no interest in software, or NeuralNetwork development than don't buy a Tesla, as I've ready pointed out there are loads of other cheaper (and more expensive) EVs around made by traditional car companies. But if you have any vague interest in seeing the bleeding edge of AI NNs development than you will quickly see why Teslas appeal so much over any other car brand.

It really isn't about physical products these days, the growth is in digital technologies and who can best leverage it, and on that front Tesla is leagues ahead of everyone else. Its not for everyone, but for my self this is why Tesla is doing so well.

I have toyed with the idea of a getting a Taycan, is more expensive than a Tesla and you see plenty around these days....But would a £100k+ Taycan get access to the same level of software development as a £40K Model 3?? Not a chance, so inthat regards why would our next car purchase by any other brand apart from Tesla??


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I neither want nor need any of the technology and 'software integration' which you presumably see as a benefit.

If I drive from the north east to the midlands, London, or south Devon I do not need a map to do it.

My first car was a Triumph Herald which realistically would do the job today.

Sure, I appreciate some of the improvements and toys on my newish Ford - air con, better handling, improved economy - but none of the extra gadgetry on an EV would be of any real benefit.

Paying an extra £10k+ for loads of toys I will never use and inferior day to day convenience makes no sense.

I am far from certain the overall environmental impact of an EV is less than an ICE car, and may be more.

Hardly surprising it's taking legislation to drive uptake.

 

[cougie uk]

Are you aware of the new technology coming into all cars from next year ?

It'll make the roads safer for everyone.

And I'm sure your great grandfather would have been saying the same things about the Model T that you're saying about EVs.

"I'm happy with my horse me"

 

[Pale Rider]

Are you aware of the new technology coming into all cars from next year ?

It'll make the roads safer for everyone.

And I'm sure your great grandfather would have been saying the same things about the Model T that you're saying about EVs.

"I'm happy with my horse me"

I am comparing the difference between a modern ICE car and an EV.

The 'extras' on the EV, essentially a load of technological gadgetry, are of no use - that's the problem.

 

[JhnBssll]

The 'Extras' on an EV are largely freebies anyway - you need a certain level of electronics to control the drive and safety systems. Once you've paid for the hardware, why not add some software gimmicks

 

[Peugeotrider]

Then of course, as time goes on Diesel is going to become more expensive as demand drops...

Not if you're running on the old ribena 🤣

 

[icowden]

Sure, I appreciate some of the improvements and toys on my newish Ford - air con, better handling, improved economy - but none of the extra gadgetry on an EV would be of any real benefit.

And there we have the nub of it. You have pre-judged without rationalisation.
Without experiencing and testing the gadgetry, you cannot assess whether the various options available to you would be of benefit.

A bit like my father in law when I follow Google Maps but he "goes the best route" and therefore gets stuck in 20 minutes of traffic that Google knew about and he didn't.

 

[MrGrumpy]

And there we have the nub of it. You have pre-judged without rationalisation.
Without experiencing and testing the gadgetry, you cannot assess whether the various options available to you would be of benefit.

I think maybe a reference to the Tesla`s fart button ! Its cock all use to anyone .

 

[JhnBssll]

Apparently in the latest software update they've removed the voice control to "open butthole" which opened the charge port Might cancel my order...

 

[Pale Rider]

And there we have the nub of it. You have pre-judged without rationalisation.
Without experiencing and testing the gadgetry, you cannot assess whether the various options available to you would be of benefit.

A bit like my father in law when I follow Google Maps but he "goes the best route" and therefore gets stuck in 20 minutes of traffic that Google knew about and he didn't.

Some here seem to think that just because I don't swoon at every new gadget I must be Ned Ludd.

Nothing changes in my motoring orbit when I change the car, only the car itself.

The extra stuff on an EV will do nothing for my journeys, other than make some less convenient.

When or if an EV makes financial and operational sense to me, I will buy one.

That's unlikely to happen without the additional push of regulation, which the government knows, which in turn is why they are going in that direction.

Until then, I and many others will leave you EV emperors to wear your new clothes.

 

[gzoom]

I neither want nor need any of the technology and 'software integration' which you presumably see as a benefit.

Not everyone wanted the industrial revolution or the Renaissance either .

If you don't want or see the potential of data interoperability than good for you, but luckily progress occurs regardless .

 

[Pale Rider]

If you don't want or see the potential of data interoperability than good for you, but luckily progress occurs regardless

I doubt 'data interoperability' is high on the list of requirements for very many new car buyers.

Do you feel you might be being played by the big tech companies, just a tiny bit?

Seems to me they are persuading people they want something they didn't know they wanted.

A profitable trick if you can pull it off.

It's just a modern take on snake oil selling - buyers need to be more aware now than ever.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Fleet buyers are the key here. How many big fleet buyers are going full EV? The company’s cars my employer offers are hybrid as well as the usual diesel alternatives. Not seen any company EVs. Also the area/ sales reps etc and those others who do big miles every year . EV is just not going to work as the range is rubbish.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I neither want nor need any of the technology and 'software integration' which you presumably see as a benefit

Paley. Bad news. I completely agree with you.

However, to many fresh faced millennials, satnav screen, parking cameras, Bluetooth integration and all that bollox seem, mystifyingly, vital.

I am far from certain the overall environmental impact of an EV is less than an ICE car, and may be more.

Normal service is resumed! You're completely wrong.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-how-electric-vehicles-help-to-tackle-climate-change

 

[cougie uk]

https://fleetworld.co.uk/4-in-10-uk-car-buyers-would-prefer-to-buy-a-zero-emission-vehicle/

I've seen electric fleets. Local bus company has electric Nissan vans.
Amazon has a huge fleet of electric Mercedes vans. There's an electric company with a fleet of leafs too.

I don't believe fleet buyers are as big as they used to be ?

 

[icowden]

I doubt 'data interoperability' is high on the list of requirements for very many new car buyers.

But if you explain it as "Interoperability mean your car can talk to other cars - it can see traffic patterns to get you where you need to go quickly, you can hook up to all of the different types of charging point. You can use your phone ask your car to check the temperature at 6am and defrost itself and warm the seats up ready for 6.30 when you leave to go to work. You can ask it to reverse into a parking space for you or come and pick you up from the drop off if it's raining. Eventually your car may be able to find a parking space for you by talking to the sensors in car parks for example. Oh and your car can keep itself safe ant notify you if someone is trying to break in or has driven off after reversing into you - it can even provide camera footage."

Do these sound useful to you? To many people these sound like great features.

But I agree - if you just ask them if data interoperability is important they probably won't know what you are talking about. You might as well talk to them about the benefits of dirtbusting in Diesel or octane rating. What? People aren't interested in those things either?