FNRttC Friday Night Ride to the Coast - Felpham near Bognor 22nd April 2011

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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
Stu - having paid for a British Cycling gold license with its £10 million liability insurance cover, I'm struggling to understand the need to join the CTC as well. Unless the organisers think that I can do even more damage than that....
David. Having re-read our correspondence I can now tell you that you're not coming. I can't be bothered to deal with the sense of grievance. Ta-ra!
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
I'm not sure I'd describe handing over £12 for a year's worth of rides as a "hoop jumping malarkey". The insurance thing is a reluctant development, and a lot of effort has gone into finding a solution that enables everyone to be insured with what is in fact the least possible expense and fannying-about under the circumstances. It's a bit tough on BC and LCC members who don't make the five non-CTC spaces, but something had to give.
The BC rules are even more restrictive. Most BC stuff is pay-per-ride with compulsory helmets.
 

dccbysea

New Member
Sorry if I have come across as someone with a grievance, when really I'm just confused. I emailed the address shown to ask about joining the ride, and got a reply from Simon who said (I paraphrase) "If you're a British Cycling member you can't ride" Reading further, it seems that a magic number of 5 lucky BC riders being allowed to participate has been arrived at. I checked the CTC membership web page, and found that it costs 37 pounds to join. Subsequently, 12 pounds has been mentioned here, but as far as I can see that is the price of membership for a Junior, which sadly I am not.
I enjoy riding a bike because it is wonderful in it's simplicity, but riding with other like minded people it seems is far from it.

Is "Dellzeqq" Simon? If so, his response above gives an indication of his attitude.
 

theclaud

Openly Marxist
Location
Swansea
Sorry if I have come across as someone with a grievance, when really I'm just confused. I emailed the address shown to ask about joining the ride, and got a reply from Simon who said (I paraphrase) "If you're a British Cycling member you can't ride" Reading further, it seems that a magic number of 5 lucky BC riders being allowed to participate has been arrived at. I checked the CTC membership web page, and found that it costs 37 pounds to join. Subsequently, 12 pounds has been mentioned here, but as far as I can see that is the price of membership for a Junior, which sadly I am not.
I enjoy riding a bike because it is wonderful in it's simplicity, but riding with other like minded people it seems is far from it.

Is "Dellzeqq" Simon? If so, his response above gives an indication of his attitude.

Paraphrase as in misrepresent? Did you read the link pasted upthread? It's to a page on the ride blog that explains it all as simply as it is possible to do with these things. Why the need to shoot from the hip? Oh well... too late...
 

dccbysea

New Member
ah well. And with regard to my offer of the open house at Felpham after the ride, it's OK, there's no need to thank me. Oh you didn't.
 

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
Sorry if I have come across as someone with a grievance, when really I'm just confused. I emailed the address shown to ask about joining the ride, and got a reply from Simon who said (I paraphrase) "If you're a British Cycling member you can't ride" Reading further, it seems that a magic number of 5 lucky BC riders being allowed to participate has been arrived at. I checked the CTC membership web page, and found that it costs 37 pounds to join. Subsequently, 12 pounds has been mentioned here, but as far as I can see that is the price of membership for a Junior, which sadly I am not.
I enjoy riding a bike because it is wonderful in it's simplicity, but riding with other like minded people it seems is far from it.

Is "Dellzeqq" Simon? If so, his response above gives an indication of his attitude.

It's not that if you're a BC rider you can't ride. As mentioned above, the FNRttC fell foul of the insurance gods as there is no way it can be disguised as anything other than an organised ride.

In order for the popular (and they are popular, 108 cyclists went to Southend earlier this month) rides to continue a solution had to be found. A lot of work was done by Simon (Dellzeqq) to come up with the least painful option which is that the ride is now a club, The Fridays, with a membership fee of £1 per annum. By joining this club which is affiliated to the CTC, you can obtain membership of the CTC at the affiliation rate of £12 per year.

Considering the quality of these rides (just read the report threads for opinions of people who rode them), it's well worth the money, £13 in total per year.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
12 pounds is the cost of an associate membership and appears to represent stonking value

£8 if you not doing any of the March rides....
stonking indeed.... even if you already have BC cover, it's a small price to pay to join in with the most fun you can have on a bike after dark.
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
£8 if you not doing any of the March rides....
stonking indeed.... even if you already have BC cover, it's a small price to pay to join in with the most fun you can have on a bike after dark.
small correction there. I can get you 11 months for twelve quid, so that's what you're going to be signed up for. I've put the extra four quid in for you, so if I don't nab you for it when next we meet, that is good value indeedy!

David - here's the deal.

These rides take a bit of work. Recce rides (at least one by day, and one by night, and if alternatives are being considered, then some parts of the route can be covered four or five times), organisation on the night that might involve 18 volunteers, persuading people to open up at 3.30 in the morning, keeping them sweet, making arrangements with the breakfast cafes, keeping them sweet, dealing with e-mails (590 incoming so far in March, with 85 on the 14th of March), doing the blogthingy, and now, heaven help us, insurance and club membership which means filling in the forms, going down to Twickenham with the cheques and sending the cards off to people......

so when somebody comes off as a cock on his second e-mail I calculate the percentages and decide I can't be arsed. Having said that, in over five years this is the first time I've pre-banned somebody. I've offed people because they ride like idiots, but I've never ever offed anybody because they come across the way you did, so give yourself a pat on the back and find somebody else to annoy.
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
Thanks everyone. But still confused about the 12 pounds membership as it isn't mentioned here: http://www.ctc.org.u...aspx?tabid=4089
well, in my first reply to you I pointed to the blog within which you will find http://fnrttc.blogsp...ce-and-all.html and this http://fnrttc.blogsp...fridays_06.html which drone on about twelve quid ad nauseam (I know it's boring because I wrote it), and, had you taken the time to follow my suggestion and read it before you registered with Cycle Chat for no purpose that I can discern other than getting on my wick, you would have been that little bit the wiser.............
 

frank9755

Cyclist
Location
West London
David,


If you wanted to make a list of the places that it wasn't mentioned, you would find it a life's labour!

However, the CTC membership page is the very last place where you would expect to find that you could obtain 90% of the benefit for less than a third of the cost by affiliating through a club.
 

dccbysea

New Member
Simon
If you recall, this whole sorry saga got underway precisely because I did email you for details as indicated on the instruction page.
In response you told me I needed to be a CTC member, so, naively it now turns out, I trotted off to the CTC web site to find out more.

You'll notice the complete absence of personal abuse in any of my communication to date. Much like a middle eastern "democratically elected" head of state, scratch the surface by asking the wrong kind of questions and it seems that you turn nasty very quickly.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
These rides take a bit of work.

Not half !

small correction there. I can get you 11 months for twelve quid, so that's what you're going to be signed up for. I've put the extra four quid in for you, so if I don't nab you for it when next we meet, that is good value indeedy!

Another example of just how much care, not to mention personal effort and expense, Simon puts into his work organising these things.....

For those who've not read the blog thingy and understood the ins & outs, let me make it quite clear. I've met the guy just once, on my first ride last year.... and he's prepared to advance his own money, with no guarantee of getting it back - to get me a better deal on the affiliate membership (and its included insurance)

Of course it could all be an evil ploy ... he just wants a nice lightweight £5 note off me on the Bognor ride, instead of one those nasty heavy £1 coins :laugh:
 
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