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what a strange, paranoid world you live in.
Fuel Strikes
- Thread starter Hip Priest
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a few days ago you were telling us that the queues and panic buying were a townie thing. Since then the Maudster has stirred the hix from the stix to the nearest they'll ever get to social interaction by joining a petrol queue. Forgive me (or not) while I sail on by..............
Where I live petty theft from outbuildings and stables is commonplace. My neighbour even had a row of conifers nicked. I've even had the battery powering an electric fence worth £5? taken. The Police advice is not to challenge it. It's not paranoid to not leave things of value in places they are easy to steal.
You seem more intent on trading insults, than examining inconsistencies in your opinions.
asterix
Comrade Member
- Location
- Limoges or York
Clement Atlee 1945 to 1951.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Attlee#Early_life_and_family
(don't be confused by the link's name - it's a comprehensive account.)
asterix
Comrade Member
- Location
- Limoges or York
'ere Rapples, your're not upsetting people, are you?
I seem to be, I don't why? It all started when I pointed out that someone might have contradicted themselves.
Rather than point out why I was mistaken, he chose to rather patronisingly to critise my writing style, implying it resembled a timid idiotic welsh rotarian solicitor. I don't know what he has against those groups of people, perhaps they too see inconsistency in his arguments, I certainly don't think he meant it as compliment, but if I'm mistaken, I'll happily apologise
Just to remind folks of the last time we were here and how the other lot handled it
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/921903.stm
Tuesday, 12 September, 2000, 16:01 GMT 17:01 UK
Blair turns heat on oil industry
Some have taken to alternative methods to beat the blockade
Oil companies are coming under pressure from Prime Minister Tony Blair to ensure fuel supplies get through, as fuel price protests cause mounting chaos across the UK.
As the oil companies gave a lukewarm response to the call, Chancellor Gordon Brown reiterated the government's tough line against the protesters.
We will not fall for the quick fix and the irresponsible short-termism of making tax policy this afternoon because of blockades this morning."
Chancellor Gordon Brown
Speaking at the TUC conference in Glasgow, Mr Brown said: "We will listen, but we will not fall for the quick fix and the irresponsible short-termism of making tax policy this afternoon because of blockades this morning."
As the protests entered their sixth day, as many as 3,000 petrol stations were closed and the whole country began to feel the pressure.
Panic buying continued amid claims that there would be no fuel anywhere in the country within 48 hours.
However, Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott said Mr Blair remained convinced fuel could be properly distributed
He said: "We cannot and will not accept the chaos which seems to be developing across the country, where emergency services are being denied to the people."
But a spokeswoman for oil giant Texaco said: "The campaign is against the government, it's a government taxation issue - it [the government] is not addressing what the protesters want."
BP, which says its tanker drivers will only deliver supplies with a police officer in the cab, protested that they had asked for police protection but it had not been supplied.
The Association of Chief Police Officers, which met the government for emergency talks on whether to use force to break the blockades, said their "main objective" was to help oil trucks get through.
Emergency meeting
But police forces around the country say they are unable to act to clear pickets at fuel refineries and depots because protesters are not breaking the law.
Tony Blair cancelled a regional tour of the north to co-ordinate government responses to the crisis and attend an emergency cabinet meeting.
It is still not clear if and when the government will invoke special powers approved on Monday by the Privy Council and the Queen to ensure the flow of fuel to "priority users" such as health services, schools and public transport.
Protesting Welsh farmers at the Shell oil refinery in Cheshire
The effects of the fuel crisis are being felt across all sectors of the UK.
Emergency services are reaching crisis point with non-emergency operations in many hospitals around Britain being cancelled.
For the first time, public transport began to feel the pinch with South West Trains curtailing some services to conserve fuel.
The fuel protesters have been urged to end the "anarchy" by Bill Morris, general secretary of the Transport and General Workers Union, which represents tanker drivers.
"We urge the protesters to remove the blockades and allow our members to resume deliveries, so that essential services, industry and the public are not victimised by the protests, which are not of their making," he said.
But protest spokesperson Brynle Williams said: "Tony Blair has made a gross mistake and has grossly underestimated the will of the country. Will we back down? Never."
Meanwhile, the impact of the crisis has been reflected by one of the biggest ever e-mail responses to BBC News Online, with nearly 6,000 members of the public offering their opinions to Talking Point.
Supporters of the action include Daniel Fox, who said "keep up the work guys - the government has to listen at some point".
Others, such as Daniel Rafferty from Wales, argued: "Blair has the power to lower fuel prices but must not yield in the face of pressure".
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/921903.stm
Tuesday, 12 September, 2000, 16:01 GMT 17:01 UK
Blair turns heat on oil industry
Some have taken to alternative methods to beat the blockade
Oil companies are coming under pressure from Prime Minister Tony Blair to ensure fuel supplies get through, as fuel price protests cause mounting chaos across the UK.
As the oil companies gave a lukewarm response to the call, Chancellor Gordon Brown reiterated the government's tough line against the protesters.
We will not fall for the quick fix and the irresponsible short-termism of making tax policy this afternoon because of blockades this morning."
Chancellor Gordon Brown
Speaking at the TUC conference in Glasgow, Mr Brown said: "We will listen, but we will not fall for the quick fix and the irresponsible short-termism of making tax policy this afternoon because of blockades this morning."
As the protests entered their sixth day, as many as 3,000 petrol stations were closed and the whole country began to feel the pressure.
Panic buying continued amid claims that there would be no fuel anywhere in the country within 48 hours.
However, Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott said Mr Blair remained convinced fuel could be properly distributed
He said: "We cannot and will not accept the chaos which seems to be developing across the country, where emergency services are being denied to the people."
But a spokeswoman for oil giant Texaco said: "The campaign is against the government, it's a government taxation issue - it [the government] is not addressing what the protesters want."
BP, which says its tanker drivers will only deliver supplies with a police officer in the cab, protested that they had asked for police protection but it had not been supplied.
The Association of Chief Police Officers, which met the government for emergency talks on whether to use force to break the blockades, said their "main objective" was to help oil trucks get through.
Emergency meeting
But police forces around the country say they are unable to act to clear pickets at fuel refineries and depots because protesters are not breaking the law.
Tony Blair cancelled a regional tour of the north to co-ordinate government responses to the crisis and attend an emergency cabinet meeting.
It is still not clear if and when the government will invoke special powers approved on Monday by the Privy Council and the Queen to ensure the flow of fuel to "priority users" such as health services, schools and public transport.
Protesting Welsh farmers at the Shell oil refinery in Cheshire
The effects of the fuel crisis are being felt across all sectors of the UK.
Emergency services are reaching crisis point with non-emergency operations in many hospitals around Britain being cancelled.
For the first time, public transport began to feel the pinch with South West Trains curtailing some services to conserve fuel.
The fuel protesters have been urged to end the "anarchy" by Bill Morris, general secretary of the Transport and General Workers Union, which represents tanker drivers.
"We urge the protesters to remove the blockades and allow our members to resume deliveries, so that essential services, industry and the public are not victimised by the protests, which are not of their making," he said.
But protest spokesperson Brynle Williams said: "Tony Blair has made a gross mistake and has grossly underestimated the will of the country. Will we back down? Never."
Meanwhile, the impact of the crisis has been reflected by one of the biggest ever e-mail responses to BBC News Online, with nearly 6,000 members of the public offering their opinions to Talking Point.
Supporters of the action include Daniel Fox, who said "keep up the work guys - the government has to listen at some point".
Others, such as Daniel Rafferty from Wales, argued: "Blair has the power to lower fuel prices but must not yield in the face of pressure".
It was different before as it was fuel blockades due to the rise. Not as it is now, tanker drivers complaining about their T&C's when the papers claim they earn in excess of £40k. Sorry but I have no sympathy for them. There not doing it for the masses, just a few greedy union members wanting more.
But the whole purpose of a union is to advantage its members to the disadvantage of others.
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
thats not what the first line in my little red book from the EETPU used to say. it said that the purpose/aim of the union is to take control of the industry from the companies, or something similar to that.
downfader
extimus uero philosophus
- Location
- 'ampsheeeer
I think citation is needed before we castigate a whole industry by the vagaries of the media (who as we know are just as prone to mistakes as any other source of information)
I'll also add - people HAD the opportunity to realise that NO DATE had been set for strike... and that any government advice should still be scrutinised.
The largest union has balloted its members on strike action for which it was a resounding YES! They are not or gonna strike due to fuel prices. Striking if it happens because they are not getting paid enough, due to being undercut by cheaper labour. You want citation read it all on the Unite website.
That is laughable on just about every level.
It does however seem to backup what subaqua's little red book says
downfader
extimus uero philosophus
- Location
- 'ampsheeeer
Paul, I'm refering to their wages. Not the vote. I know full well about the vote, otherwise I wouldnt have mentioned the fact they'd set no date.
Do you have any evidence that the majority of these drivers are actually on £40k or more?
