Full 20 mph city limit - a return to non drivers owning their town?
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PhilDawson8270
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That's why I always ride through the gaps.
Linford
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I always aim to, but around this way, there is usually a car parked very close to them or there is somethign comingthe other way...or both combined.
Linford
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[QUOTE 2831031, member: 45"][/quote]
Well that is not really what has been said (well not by me) @misterpaul
What has been said is that blanket limits create familiarity, detract from real problem zones, and ultimately breed contempt.
Sure they have their place outside schools, in shared spaces etc, but across an entire town or city ?....I don't think so
Well that is not really what has been said (well not by me) @misterpaul
What has been said is that blanket limits create familiarity, detract from real problem zones, and ultimately breed contempt.
Sure they have their place outside schools, in shared spaces etc, but across an entire town or city ?....I don't think so
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PhilDawson8270
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Changing one sign for another only slows down the safe attentive ones, the ones who cause issues are going to ignore it regardless. As I also pointed out before, the 20mph limits aren't enforceable by simply putting the sign up, the area will need to be re-landscaped, which will not happen.
GrasB
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- Location
- Nr Cambridge
I'd like to see the return of traditional speed bumps. I have never found properly installed speed bumps a problem on a pedal cycle, motorbike or car. On a cycle I've had a front or rear wheel step to the side on the side slopes & in perfectly road-legal cars which aren't that low speed cushions can cause massive engine & gearbox damage if the speed cushion is precisely the wrong size for your your cars track & suspension. While you can ground out cars on speed bumps the damage done is usually far less sever as car manufactures tend to design in such a way that you ground out things like the floor pan rather than the sump or gearbox housing!
snorri
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- Location
- East coast, up a bit.
Other speed limits are enforceable, why not the 20mph?
PhilDawson8270
Veteran
They will be, however, the landscaping and area must feel like a 20mph, so it cannot be mistaken for a 30mph limit, therefore just changing the 30 signs to a 20 is not suitable, and ACPO guidelines state that in this circumstance they will not enforce them.
Where as the link previously to the Birmingham 20mph ones, simply states that no additional traffic calming will be installed, just a change of sign, it's a political keep locals happy tool, not a serious intent to make a difference.
snorri
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- Location
- East coast, up a bit.
There is no conspicuous difference in landscaping between 30 and 40 mph locations, so why do we need it for 20? ACPO guidelines are irrelevant to the OP, but I agree it is a political sop, motor traffic reduction is required as much as reducing speed.
PhilDawson8270
Veteran
Street lighting is the usual difference between 30 and 40 limits.
Nigel-YZ1
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- Location
- Somewhere else... maybe soon.
30mph limits don't have those smaller speed limit reminder signs.
Linford
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[QUOTE 2831149, member: 45"]According to the links posted earlier about Birmingham earlier extra measures will be used where necessary. So it will happen. The content of the news story suggests that the planners know what they're talking about rather more than some on here would like to believe.[/quote]
If you might appreciate the enormous mess made of my towns road system over the years, you would be left in no doubt that they are just dabbling. Instead of doing some trials to test the theory, they just plough millions into these ideas with no real idea if they will work.
Subsequently most residents with the benefit of hindsight have lost faith in the experts ability to get it right...they are now meddling with the town centres traffic flow...they have been pushing for it for decades to stop a raod which deals with 10,000 vehciles a day....all they will do is push the problem into the residential streets, create massive gridlock on other roads which have a set of lights every 50 metres...or both !
If you might appreciate the enormous mess made of my towns road system over the years, you would be left in no doubt that they are just dabbling. Instead of doing some trials to test the theory, they just plough millions into these ideas with no real idea if they will work.
Subsequently most residents with the benefit of hindsight have lost faith in the experts ability to get it right...they are now meddling with the town centres traffic flow...they have been pushing for it for decades to stop a raod which deals with 10,000 vehciles a day....all they will do is push the problem into the residential streets, create massive gridlock on other roads which have a set of lights every 50 metres...or both !
Linford
Guest
of who...all of the residents who have to deal with it ?
In my dealings with them I don't think I've come across a more self serving bunch...they are power mad.
