Garden Waste

[I like Skol]

No….i just dont agree with your opinion, the same as you dont agree with mine…

all you want is for me to agree with your opinion, that £45hr incuding removals is a bargain……sorry but i disagree

FFS! IT WASN'T £45/hr

It was £180 and we don't know exactly what this was for, unless you have a lot more information than you are sharing. We cannot judge if this was extortion, reasonable or a bargain.

 

[jowwy]

FFS! IT WASN'T £45/hr

It was £180 and we don't know exactly what this was for, unless you have a lot more information than you are sharing. We cannot judge if this was extortion, reasonable or a bargain.

I told you what it was for…..four hours work, cutting the grass, trimming a bush and a few branches from over hanging trees. £180 removal of waste included…..so thats £45hr or like i said take £40 for removing waste thats £140 for four hours work, so thats £35hr……

and before you say what about travel time blah blah blah…..how many people get paid to travel to work, i know i dont, i have to pay that myself out of my salary, i dont get extra for travelling

 

[jowwy]

FFS! IT WASN'T £45/hr

It was £180 and we don't know exactly what this was for, unless you have a lot more information than you are sharing. We cannot judge if this was extortion, reasonable or a bargain.

So how much in your opiniin is he being paid per hour???

And before you start taking out tax, Ni, pension, fuel etc etc…….everyone getting paid a salary pays those things out if their wages, irrespextive of what their hourly rate is

so if my salary is £25hr…….thats my gross pay per hour

this guy charged 180 for 4hrs work……so his gross pay is £45hr

 

[winjim]

That post came from a “quote my job website” and it lists the hourly rates you can expect to pay for maintenance work on your garden…….£12/15hr is way above minimum wage, so no exploitation.

and many workers in the uk are on less than that per hour and still pay tax, NI and pensions…….so are not party to tax evasion and i would have it a guess that many gardeners employed around the UK are earning around that much per hour……..

Ignoring the fact that what you pay a tradesperson for a job is not what that tradesperson makes, the website you've used lists waste removal as an additional cost and prices it between £100 - £200. So call it the lower end of that leaves four hours on site at £20 an hour.

You say you were happy to cut up and dispose of your own waste over the course of the weekend but what's your hourly rate? As an example, we don't have the luxury of time at weekends. To dispose of our hedge cuttings my wife used a day's leave. So for her that's eight hours at about £25 per hour, plus the cost of hiring the woodchipper, say about £35, makes £235 that we've 'spent' on garden waste removal. That ain't cheap. And you took an entire weekend?

 

[PK99]

Id be earning the same as the gardener who is employed by asda and the guy stacking the shelves of the food you purchase…

lets say £15hr on a 40hr week…..thats £600 a week before tax. 52 wks in a year, if you dont take holidays, so thats around £31.2k a year

lots of people around the UK earning a lot less than that before tax, NI and pension.

You appear not to understand the difference between salaried jobs an self employment.

A jobbing gardener will normally have billable hours of 50 to 75% of working hours. Quoting, travel time, time lost to weather, holidays, visits to the doctor, etc all add up as unpaid hours. Plus out of billings come insurance, vehicle costs, tool, equipment, protective clothing.

An hourly paid employee gets paid for hours worked and has no overheads.

 

[winjim]

and before you say what about travel time blah blah blah…..how many people get paid to travel to work, i know i dont, i have to pay that myself out of my salary, i dont get extra for travelling

At work our service engineers for our analysers charge for travel time, and it's hundreds of pounds an hour. It's covered by our maintenance contracts but if it wasn't, it is considered chargable.

 

[jowwy]

Ignoring the fact that what you pay a tradesperson for a job is not what that tradesperson makes, the website you've used lists waste removal as an additional cost and prices it between £100 - £200. So call it the lower end of that leaves four hours on site at £20 an hour.

You say you were happy to cut up and dispose of your own waste over the course of the weekend but what's your hourly rate? As an example, we don't have the luxury of time at weekends. To dispose of our hedge cuttings my wife used a day's leave. So for her that's eight hours at about £25 per hour, plus the cost of hiring the woodchipper, say about £35, makes £235 that we've 'spent' on garden waste removal. That ain't cheap. And you took an entire weekend?

My hourly rate is free, i dont work weekends, so its my time…..i dont bill myself, i class it as leisure time in the sun, free of charge….and i said i took the weekend to do it, doesnt mean i worked my ass off for 48hrs non stop sheesh, i have a garden, not a palace estate.

and tbh i wouldnt get anyone to mow my garden or trim my bushes either, i would do it all myself.

if someone thinks 180 for 4hrs work is a bargain, all power to them, but i dont and never will, no matter what other peoples views or opinions are.

 

[jowwy]

Ignoring the fact that what you pay a tradesperson for a job is not what that tradesperson makes, the website you've used lists waste removal as an additional cost and prices it between £100 - £200. So call it the lower end of that leaves four hours on site at £20 an hour.

You say you were happy to cut up and dispose of your own waste over the course of the weekend but what's your hourly rate? As an example, we don't have the luxury of time at weekends. To dispose of our hedge cuttings my wife used a day's leave. So for her that's eight hours at about £25 per hour, plus the cost of hiring the woodchipper, say about £35, makes £235 that we've 'spent' on garden waste removal. That ain't cheap. And you took an entire weekend?

Didnt your wife get paid for her days leave then????

 

[jowwy]

You appear not to understand the difference between salaried jobs an self employment.

A jobbing gardener will normally have billable hours of 50 to 75% of working hours. Quoting, travel time, time lost to weather, holidays, visits to the doctor, etc all add up as unpaid hours. Plus out of billings come insurance, vehicle costs, tool, equipment, protective clothing.

An hourly paid employee gets paid for hours worked and has no overheads.

I do understand the difference, ive worked in both types of employment………im now a qualified data analyst and get paid accordingly ( without travel costs, tax, NI added on, i pay that from salary/hours worked)

 

[winjim]

Didnt your wife get paid for her days leave then????

Yeah but she spent it grafting.

 

[jowwy]

You appear not to understand the difference between salaried jobs an self employment.

A jobbing gardener will normally have billable hours of 50 to 75% of working hours. Quoting, travel time, time lost to weather, holidays, visits to the doctor, etc all add up as unpaid hours. Plus out of billings come insurance, vehicle costs, tool, equipment, protective clothing.

An hourly paid employee gets paid for hours worked and has no overheads.

And it doesnt matter what he pays out of the earnings afterwards……hes still get £45hr for the job, or £35hr after disposal costs……its that plain and simple

 

[jowwy]

Yeah but she spent it grafting.

So it didnt cost you £25 per hour for your wifes time then, cause she got paid for the leave……….so instead of being paid for working, she got paid for shredding trees….cant have it both ways.

 

[jowwy]

When i recently paid for my roof repairs, the roofer quoted me £50per hour per roofer, plus materials

in total they worked 3 hours, so thats £300 for labour plus cost of materials. The quote was per hour, not for the cost of the job…..out of his hourly rate he would pay tax, ni, insurance, vehicle costs, travelling time, sickness, dog food, cat litter and a pint of beer…..even though he paid all that stuff out, he still got £50 per hours work done

 

[winjim]

So it didnt cost you £25 per hour for your wifes time then, cause she got paid for the leave……….so instead of being paid for working, she got paid for shredding trees….cant have it both ways.

I get your point and I suppose it depends on how you look at it but we are time poor. If there comes a point before April when she's used up all her paid leave and needs to take additional time off, then it will definitely have cost us.

 

[jowwy]

I get your point and I suppose it depends on how you look at it but we are time poor. If there comes a point before April when she's used up all her paid leave and needs to take additional time off, then it will definitely have cost us.

I agree……..but in current case, you got paid for shredding, i take annual leave to do work in the house, gadren, etc etc sometimes thats the only way to get stuff done. I actually plan my annual leave around doing big jobs that need time