Garden Waste

[Alex321]

So how much in your opiniin is he being paid per hour???

And before you start taking out tax, Ni, pension, fuel etc etc…….everyone getting paid a salary pays those things out if their wages, irrespextive of what their hourly rate is

so if my salary is £25hr…….thats my gross pay per hour

this guy charged 180 for 4hrs work……so his gross pay is £45hr

A person getting a salary doesn't pay for the upkeep of their vehicle and for fuel if used for work (they do for commuting, but that is very different to a job which requires regular site visits to different sites). They also don't pay the employers NI contributions or pension costs.

A sole trader has quite considerable costs additional to those a salaried employee would normally have.

I speak from experience here, having spent 10 years working as a freelancer (in IT). I didn't need much of the equipment a gardener would, though I did need reasonable computer equipment. One year, I claimed tax relief for 12,000 miles of business travel - which saves you about 20% of the cost of the diesel/petrol you are buying out of that income. If I had been a salaried employee working for one of the big consultancies, I might well have done similar mileage, but it would all have been paid for by my employer.
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And most employers will also pay you for the time spent travelling between jobs, while a sole trader only gets paid for the actual time on site.
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Overall, the proportion of what I was paid as gross fees that ended up in my personal bank account was a significantly lower percentage than would have been the case if I had been paid the same gross amount as salary.

 

[Alex321]

I agree……..but in current case, you got paid for shredding, i take annual leave to do work in the house, gadren, etc etc sometimes thats the only way to get stuff done. I actually plan my annual leave around doing big jobs that need time

Quite a few of us do similar.

But you are being a little self deluding if you don't count that as a cost. Annual leave is not free.

Yes, it is paid holiday, but you could have been using it to do something more pleasurable. If comparing the cost of doing it yourself against getting somebody in, you should count any annual leave time at your equivalent hourly/daily rate.

 

[jowwy]

Quite a few of us do similar.

But you are being a little self deluding if you don't count that as a cost. Annual leave is not free.

Yes, it is paid holiday, but you could have been using it to do something more pleasurable. If comparing the cost of doing it yourself against getting somebody in, you should count any annual leave time at your equivalent hourly/daily rate.

Its not a cost….i dont bill myself for doing my own work in my garden, whether im on leave or on my weeknd time off….and for me its pleasureable to work in my garden.

your deluded if you do….sheesh, not everything we do in life has a moneyable cost to it………

 

[jowwy]

A person getting a salary doesn't pay for the upkeep of their vehicle and for fuel if used for work (they do for commuting, but that is very different to a job which requires regular site visits to different sites). They also don't pay the employers NI contributions or pension costs.

A sole trader has quite considerable costs additional to those a salaried employee would normally have.

I speak from experience here, having spent 10 years working as a freelancer (in IT). I didn't need much of the equipment a gardener would, though I did need reasonable computer equipment. One year, I claimed tax relief for 12,000 miles of business travel - which saves you about 20% of the cost of the diesel/petrol you are buying out of that income. If I had been a salaried employee working for one of the big consultancies, I might well have done similar mileage, but it would all have been paid for by my employer.
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And most employers will also pay you for the time spent travelling between jobs, while a sole trader only gets paid for the actual time on site.
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Overall, the proportion of what I was paid as gross fees that ended up in my personal bank account was a significantly lower percentage than would have been the case if I had been paid the same gross amount as salary.

I get paid an hourly rate….i pay the tax, mot, servicing on the vehicle i use for work, im guessing you do too

as for pension, i pay my NI and pensions costs, the same as someone self employed would pay his NI and pension costs……difference being my company pay extra intot he pension, but i still pay my costs. I dont pay the other 250 employess worth of NI and pension costs though ( and nietherr would someone self employed)….unless he has staff members, but again that would be calculated into the hourly rate charged for the job…

as said, £180 for 4 hours work, no matter how you wrap it up, is £45 per hour less costs….no matter what is overheads are, he still got £45 per hour for work done on site.

the same as my roofer got £50 per hour labour costs on my roof job, no matter what he pays out of it afterwards…..

 

[I like Skol]

I give up. Jowwy is clearly on one of his semi-regular missions to fall out with the world and everyone in it and isn't actually listening to what anyone is saying. I know which way this is heading and I'm not wasting any more of my time on his game.

I may watch from the sidelines.....

 

[jowwy]

I give up. Jowwy is clearly on one of his semi-regular missions to fall out with the world and everyone in it and isn't actually listening to what anyone is saying. I know which way this is heading and I'm not wasting any more of my time on his game.

I may watch from the sidelines.....

You just dont like it cause i wont bow down to your opinion…..not the first time either. Like i said, takes two to argue or debate…..but only one will get banned.

 

[jowwy]

Quite a few of us do similar.

But you are being a little self deluding if you don't count that as a cost. Annual leave is not free.

Yes, it is paid holiday, but you could have been using it to do something more pleasurable. If comparing the cost of doing it yourself against getting somebody in, you should count any annual leave time at your equivalent hourly/daily rate.

When you go on holiday, do you factor in your annual leave cost ( as its not free) with the cost of your holiday???

 

[I like Skol]

You just dont like it cause i wont bow down to your opinion…..not the first time either. Like i said, takes two to argue or debate…..but only one will get banned.

You are nuts , really, honestly, seriously nuts!

 

[jowwy]

You are nuts , really, honestly, seriously nuts!

I could say the same about you, having read many of your posts……..but i dont make assumptions about people based on forum posts.

 

[Alex321]

I get paid an hourly rate….i pay the tax, mot, servicing on the vehicle i use for work, im guessing you do too

If I used it for work, no I wouldn't.

If I used it for commuting, which is not the same thing, then yes.

In practice, I only occasionally use my car even for commuting, since I normally cycle to work.

as for pension, i pay my NI and pensions costs, the same as someone self employed would pay his NI and pension costs……difference being my company pay extra intot he pension, but i still pay my costs.

You obviously don't know how these things work.

There is employees NI, which comes out of your salary, and then there is employers NI, which the employer pays on top of your salary. Self employed NI is a higher rate than salaried employee NI to take account of this.

as said, £180 for 4 hours work, no matter how you wrap it up, is £45 per hour less costs….no matter what is overheads are, he still got £45 per hour for work done on site.

the same as my roofer got £50 per hour labour costs on my roof job, no matter what he pays out of it afterwards…..

Well he didn't get £180 for 4 hours work, he got £180 for 4 hours work plus waste disposal - which would account for at least £100 of that according to the post above - leaving him being paid £80 for 4 hours labour. £20 per hour.

But regardless of that, you have been trying to paint it as being similar to an employee on a salary equivalent to £45 per hour, and I have just been pointing out that it isn't even close to that.

 

[Alex321]

When you go on holiday, do you factor in your annual leave cost ( as its not free) with the cost of your holiday???

I certainly recognise it is part of the cost.

I don't tend to itemise it, nor do I itemise it if I am doing other jobs that I could have paid somebody to do. But I am always aware that it is a cost, and that it is a false economy to treat my time as free when I am comparing the cost of paying for something or doing it myself.

If doing something for your own pleasure, rather than for economic reasons, that is a different matter, but the time is still a cost of that pleasure.

 

[jowwy]

If I used it for work, no I wouldn't.

If I used it for commuting, which is not the same thing, then yes.

In practice, I only occasionally use my car even for commuting, since I normally cycle to work.


You obviously don't know how these things work.

There is employees NI, which comes out of your salary, and then there is employers NI, which the employer pays on top of your salary. Self employed NI is a higher rate than salaried employee NI to take account of this.



Well he didn't get £180 for 4 hours work, he got £180 for 4 hours work plus waste disposal - which would account for at least £100 of that according to the post above - leaving him being paid £80 for 4 hours labour. £20 per hour.

But regardless of that, you have been trying to paint it as being similar to an employee on a salary equivalent to £45 per hour, and I have just been pointing out that it isn't even close to that.

Its only assumed he paid 100 for disposal, could have been 20, 30, or 50 even…..we dont know

the facts are £180 for 4hrs work…..thats £45 per hour less costs, thats a fact, zero arguememts

 

[jowwy]

I certainly recognise it is part of the cost.

I don't tend to itemise it, nor do I itemise it if I am doing other jobs that I could have paid somebody to do. But I am always aware that it is a cost, and that it is a false economy to treat my time as free when I am comparing the cost of paying for something or doing it myself.

If doing something for your own pleasure, rather than for economic reasons, that is a different matter, but the time is still a cost of that pleasure.

You the only person i know that classes annual leave as a cost as part of their holiday……seriously you are.

 

[jowwy]

Mods, im quite happy for the thread to be closed now as some members are just using it to throw abuse and name calling into the mix…..

@Moderators

 

[Randomnerd]

A contractor will require a waste transfer license, and fill out a transfer note on site for the client and at the tip site receive more paperwork, and keep this as evidence. Some tip sites charge a minimum of £100 to tip.

I consider you’re better employed as a data analyst (oh the irony) than a contract gardener - you’d be on your arse within six months charging £20 an hour all through.