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ScotiaLass

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I seen this at lunchtime.
Terrible :sad:
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Very sad.

Wall to wall coverage here in France today.

Unnerving for us that use those planes and airlines on an almost daily basis too, even though I know flying is statistically very safe.
Dreadful for the school too that lost so many people.

This plane went down in a weird set of circumstances. We need to find the cause ASAP.
 

mybike

Grumblin at Garmin on the Granny Gear
When I worked for a German company I frequently flew German Wings and was most impressed, something I couldn't say of other budget carriers.
 

Mad Doug Biker

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This plane went down in a weird set of circumstances.
Not any wierder than any other crash. Obviously each crash has it's own specifics, but just because it happened 1 min after reaching cruising height doesn't necessarily mean it is any stranger than if it happened, say, 2 hours into the flight.

It could have been caused by a whole gamut of reasons, but until we know, you can't designate it as being 'wierd' with any real conviction.
 
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slowmotion

Quite dreadful
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lost somewhere
The BBC news had a report that said that an Airbus like that takes off every two minutes (or seconds, I forget.). BTW, I just loathe it when film crews stick their lenses and mics into the faces of the friends and relatives of the victims. It seems to have become an acceptable form of cruel voyeurism within the media that adds nothing to the reporting. A form of pornography really.


Grump.
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Not any wierder than any other crash. Obviously each crash has it's own specifics, but just because it happened 1 min after reaching cruising height doesn't necessarily mean it is any stranger than if it happened, say, 2 hours into the flight.

It could have been caused by a whole gamut of reasons, but until we know, you can't designate it as being 'wierd' with any real conviction.
What was weird was 8 mins of fairly rapid descent in a straight line with not a word from the crew ....
 

slowmotion

Quite dreadful
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Anyone's chances of meeting their Maker in a plane crash are extremely remote. Probably orders of magnitude, per journey mile, less than riding ten miles on a London commute, and that isn't risky at all.

Any plane crash reporting seems to go to a strict media formula.

Crash
Local witness accounts
Difficult terrain/widespread debris
Why, oh why????
Safety record of similar planes.
Questions about technical issues that are completely inaccurate.
Bogus drama about finding the Black Box.
Solemn statements by airline executives, politicians etc.
Media porn of relatives and friends being distraught, served up to the viewer as some kind of entertainment ' Grief Lite'.
More endless speculation.
More endless speculation...etc.
Eventually, a probably accurate explanation of what went wrong, and possible ways to rectify the faults.

I don't mind most of that stuff too much, but intruding into other peoples' worry and grief is inexcusable. Horrible really.
 

Brandane

Is it because I lied when I was 17?
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All sympathies and condolences to the bereaved but more than ten times this die on GB roads every year. Why does the news love plane crashes but ignore killer drivers? https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/1700-killed-in-transport-tragedy-but-no-coverage.177023/
Probably because it happens in one's and two's throughout the year, and in different locations. If two double decker buses were to crash into each other causing 150 deaths in one incident then it would receive media coverage similar to aircraft crashes.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Probably because it happens in one's and two's throughout the year, and in different locations. If two double decker buses were to crash into each other causing 150 deaths in one incident then it would receive media coverage similar to aircraft crashes.
I'm not sure. There have been incidents with 100+ deaths (often involving tankers holding flammable things, AFAICT) with minimal reporting.

Road death coverage is very strange. Take the 2011 Taunton M5 crash: I suspect most people still think that wasmainly due to fireworks smoke rather than people driving too fast in fog, partly due to an outdated warning system which hadn't been upgraded in line with advice. When a mix of bad management and driver error looked most likely, it wasn't as widely reported.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
This is worrying: http://www.avherald.com/h?article=47d74074/0000&opt=0

I don't know much about the technical side of flying but I do remember a pilot telling me he preferred flying Boeings to Airbuses because the Boeings still allowed the pilot to control the aircraft manually. If the article I've linked turns out also to relate to this latest incident, my concern about relinquishing much of the flying to a computer will just increase. AF447 from Rio to Paris crashed because the humans couldn't understand what the computer was trying to do and by the time they did understand, it was too late.
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
I'm not sure. There have been incidents with 100+ deaths (often involving tankers holding flammable things, AFAICT) with minimal reporting.

Road death coverage is very strange. Take the 2011 Taunton M5 crash: I suspect most people still think that wasmainly due to fireworks smoke rather than people driving too fast in fog, partly due to an outdated warning system which hadn't been upgraded in line with advice. When a mix of bad management and driver error looked most likely, it wasn't as widely reported.
Minimal reporting I suspect due to the fact that it is just accepted as part of society we live in. People dying on the roads every day and have done for decades so it's not news any more in that news reports are atypical.

Regarding the air crash it is somewhat unusual as crashes go. Most crashes occur at take of or landing with a number of catastrophic events mid-flight that are often weather related (like AF447). No bad weather on this flight. Over at pprune (where the professional pilots speculate) most seem to think it's some catastrophic disabling event such as rapid depressurisation that wasn't handled correctly. We'll see
 

buggi

Bird Saviour
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Solihull
This is worrying: http://www.avherald.com/h?article=47d74074/0000&opt=0

I don't know much about the technical side of flying but I do remember a pilot telling me he preferred flying Boeings to Airbuses because the Boeings still allowed the pilot to control the aircraft manually. If the article I've linked turns out also to relate to this latest incident, my concern about relinquishing much of the flying to a computer will just increase. AF447 from Rio to Paris crashed because the humans couldn't understand what the computer was trying to do and by the time they did understand, it was too late.
Didn't they pretty much nose dive as well because of it? Couldn't tell they were diving because it was dark and the everything the pilot did was counteracting everything the co pilot did? Or something like that? I heard tho that pilots receive extensive training about scenario now .
 
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