Giant feels the chill from falling demand.

[ColinJ]

Looking at that Giant large down tube I'd say it has a heavy-duty battery. More powerful motor? Longer range? Looking at the other bikes, how do their batteries compare? If anyone wants to buy me one as a belated Christmas gift, I sure won't object.

Seek, and ye shall find!

The reason for that is the battery is twice as big….500wh in the giant, compared to 248 whs in the others. It was also one of the first e road bikes out and the smaller downtube batteries werent available then. I think its also got a stronger torque motor than the others, although still 250watts.

 

[I like Skol]

It's attitudes like this that is pushing bike brands to the wire, if no one buys new bikes than all these brands might as well file for bankruptcy now

So unfettered consumerism and disposable tech is a good thing then? I think I prefer a slower economy based on sustainable growth and maintainable technology.

 

[I like Skol]

And I forgot to mention unmanageable debt and irresponsible credit!.....

 

[Chislenko]

Everybody and his brother wants a huge pay rise but don't understand why manufacturers then either put prices up or go to the wall.

Obviously this is out with the thinking of the public sector.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Mod note:

Talk of consumerism, Public Sector, pay rises etc is veering into political territory.

Please head over to NCAP for such discussions.

Thank you.

 

[PaulSB]

So unfettered consumerism and disposable tech is a good thing then? I think I prefer a slower economy based on sustainable growth and maintainable technology.

You're correct but I thought @gzoom was joking.

Hope that doesn't break the request above from Spokey.

 

[sevenfourate]

…..Otherwise it just becomes a Giant knocking fest.

Very droll…… 😉

 

[Fab Foodie]

I did my bit by buying a new bike in 1992 (and I still have it and use it).

...and it's only had 23 new tyres, four new wheels, 3 frames....

 

[biggs682]

It's attitudes like this that is pushing bike brands to the wire, if no one buys new bikes than all these brands might as well file for bankruptcy now

Why buy new ?

 

[PaulSB]

I think the issue is there is a lot of hidden information in the bike industry and the industry doesn't want consumers to realise a huge percentage of bikes are effectively coming from the same manufacturer and are similar quality or that many brands are not actually manufacturers at all and simply buying production from the same big Chinese manufacturers.

I feel you're both right and wrong here. I imagine there are 2-3 very large manufacturers, it's the nature of modern industry, so I agree a large percentage of frames are from the same source(s). Are the brands desperate to hide this? No, I don't think so. While a brand may not want talk about where or by who it's frames are manufactured I can't recall ever seeing a major brand shout out about having it's own manufacturing capability. If a brand did have it's own production facility this would be a major plus and one which a brand would shout from the rooftops.

I've never been excited by Giant or even considered their range, similarly with Trek, Specialised, Scott, Canyon etc. which is either my ignorance meaning I've missed a lot of good bikes or a failure by the brands to excite me. I'm not sure which but lean towards the latter.

I've owned and loved a Monoc, Dolans and currently ride a Cervelo and Kinesis both of which are great bikes. The Kinesis ATRV3 ticks every box for gravel/winter/touring and probably good for another 10 years while my Cervelo C3, now six years old, is the best bike I've owned. My love of the Cervelo is such rather than consider a new bike, I worry I would find anything as good, I recently spent £800 on upgrades/full replacements. Dolan, Cervelo, Kinesis and Cannondale would be my first brands to consider. I've seen some very nice Reilly and Mason bikes and would look at these.

Does it worry me these bikes could all have come out of the same factory? Not in the slightest as it's the design and build I can buy which interests me. I must confess to being slightly disappointed two weeks after getting the Kinesis when a friend turned up on his new Reilly with an almost identical frame. A few weeks later two other friends turned out on new Dolans with almost identical frames! I was surprised by this as was my LBS when I told them.

I think it's interesting how people are grabbed by looks. Before Christmas I turned up to a club ride with a buddy on my Kinesis, she on her identical Dolan to find another rider turn out on a brand new Reilly with a great paint job. After a lot of ooohing and aaahing by my buddy over said Reilly I quietly mentioned "you know it's the same Ti frame we are both riding but painted?"

It would be fantastic to see the rise of a quality British bike brand manufactured in the UK. A pipe dream I guess.

 

[Cycleops]

...and it's only had 23 new tyres, four new wheels, 3 frames....

Otherwise known as 'tyred's broom '.

 

[sevenfourate]

It would be fantastic to see the rise of a quality British bike brand manufactured in the UK. A pie dream I guess.

https://formebikes.co.uk/formed-by-the-uk

 

[Cycleops]

https://formebikes.co.uk/formed-by-the-uk

Frames manufactured in the UK? I suspect not.

 

[Fab Foodie]

I feel you're both right and wrong here. I imagine there are 2-3 very large manufacturers, it's the nature of modern industry, so I agree a large percentage of frames are from the same source(s). Are the brands desperate to hide this? No, I don't think so. While a brand may not want talk about where or by who it's frames are manufactured I can't recall ever seeing a major brand shout out about having it's own manufacturing capability. If a brand did have it's own production facility this would be a major plus and one which a brand would shout from the rooftops.

I've never been excited by Giant or even considered their range, similarly with Trek, Specialised, Scott, Canyon etc. which is either my ignorance meaning I've missed a lot of good bikes or a failure by the brands to excite me. I'm not sure which but lean towards the latter.

I've owned and loved a Monoc, Dolans and currently ride a Cervelo and Kinesis both of which are great bikes. The Kinesis ATRV3 ticks every box for gravel/winter/touring and probably good for another 10 years while my Cervelo C3, now six years old, is the best bike I've owned. My love of the Cervelo is such rather than consider a new bike, I worry I would find anything as good, I recently spent £800 on upgrades/full replacements. Dolan, Cervelo, Kinesis and Cannondale would be my first brands to consider. I've seen some very nice Reilly and Mason bikes and would look at these.

Does it worry me these bikes could all have come out of the same factory? Not in the slightest as it's the design and build I can buy which interests me. I must confess to being slightly disappointed two weeks after getting the Kinesis when a friend turned up on his new Reilly with an almost identical frame. A few weeks later two other friends turned out on new Dolans with almost identical frames! I was surprised by this as was my LBS when I told them.

I think it's interesting how people are grabbed by looks. Before Christmas I turned up to a club ride with a buddy on my Kinesis, she on her identical Dolan to find another rider turn out on a brand new Reilly with a great paint job. After a lot of ooohing and aaahing by my buddy over said Reilly I quietly mentioned "you know it's the same Ti frame we are both riding but painted?"

It would be fantastic to see the rise of a quality British bike brand manufactured in the UK. A pipe dream I guess.

We have Brompton.

But for mainstream bike manufacture the costs of production in the UK or the rest of Europe is just too high.

But, we have lots of independent bespoke manufacturers that'll build you something really unique and special....

 

[wiggydiggy]

It's attitudes like this that is pushing bike brands to the wire, if no one buys new bikes than all these brands might as well file for bankruptcy now

I'm between a rock and a hard place when it comes to new bikes. I still want a new bike because who doesn't like a new bike but my last parts replacement/service on the Giant I have was £350 but to replace it outright would be £1500 so it's a matter of cost to me.

If I was to buy a new bike now it would be a type I don't have currently otherwise unfortunately (for the manufacturers) I'm happy with what maintaining I have.