Guy claiming PIP

[Kingfisher101]

Also whats very rarely mentioned is that billions of pounds worth of benefits go unclaimed every year because people just either dont know what to claim or dont want claim either.
I had a friend who was dying of cancer and she could have claimed PIP under special rules, she ended up about 5 stones in weight but she didn't claim what she was entitled to.
"Benefit fraud" is a politically motivated deflection from other issues that the Government dont want people to focus on. Like tax evasion, or how much overall we have given to the Ukraine, our weapons sales to Israel etc.

 

[biggs682]

Its worth mentioning that PIP is notoriously hard to get. You have to be very unwell to qualify for it.

And occasionally the powers to be ask the claimant to do an assessment where you are scored points to see if you are eligible

 

[rualexander]

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PIP is also a benefit that isn’t means tested as it’s to compensate for those with a long term health condition or illness which means they can’t work. It is supposed to be akin to a salary in lieu of working and therefore it doesn’t matter what your income, savings or living position is. However, that said the person you are living with might be effected if on UC as you need to declare it.

PIP is not related to whether you can work or not and it's not "supposed to be akin to a salary in lieu of working".

 

[Electric_Andy]

If you are on the higher rate of PIP you get a mobility allowance which can be put towards the Mobility Scheme instead of given as cash and you can get almost any car on a lease; some luxury brands included however you may need to make an upfront payment.

PIP is also a benefit that isn’t means tested as it’s to compensate for those with a long term health condition or illness which means they can’t work. It is supposed to be akin to a salary in lieu of working and therefore it doesn’t matter what your income, savings or living position is. However, that said the person you are living with might be effected if on UC as you need to declare it.

I was going to say the same. I know someone who is on PIP and has a very nice SUV. He also enjoys gardening and generally going out and doing things. but has migraines about twice a week which confines him to a dark room. On the outside it may look like someone is milking the system, but unless you know what they are going through it could be a different story. I'm just going to say, if I had been working all my life and was then disbaled enough to claim PIP, I'd get everything I could. I think most people would. The alternative is to do what my Grandad did and be too proud to claim anything. He could hardly walk for 20 years, took him 10 mins to get out of the car sometimes (which he wasn't really safe to drive anyway) yet he insisted that he was ok. He died leaving my Gran in a lot of financial difficulty and luckily my mum bought her a flat, but she was still pretty much penniless after bills and food shopping.

 

[gbb]

Two examples of someone who gets PIP when people MIGHT think they shouldn't.
My wife...had cancer with profound effects on her so that's almost a given shes eligible, yet if it were means tested (which it's not) some people.may think we're too well off and home owners so shouldnt get it.

Our son is perhaps a better example.
Mental health issues, finds it very difficult to manage money (yes, that's a 'condition that can contribute toward getting PIP and has anxiety issues (diagnosed PTSD) so will not travel on a bus, doesn't like events or lots of people etc etc...yet you'd look at him and think there's nothing wrong with him, outwardly a normal looking person.

That said, people do have their suspicions sometimes, its human nature. My wife used to work with a teacher who 'apparently' has that 'tiring' condition (can't remember the name) and gets highest rate PIP. She travels abroad two or three times a year, always posting on social media what she's doing at weekends, seemlingly has boundless energy when not at work yet frequently off with her condition during the week.
It's natural to be suspicious, most of her colleagues are...

 

[Ming the Merciless]

This sounds like a busybody thread

 

[cyberknight]

As we were done over by HMRC and now have to pay money back for mini CK 1 we got for carers even though the people in the NHS said we should still be getting it then f##k em

 

[PaulSB]

And occasionally the powers to be ask the claimant to do an assessment where you are scored points to see if you are eligible

In my experience, and understanding of the entire PIP process, every application is based on a points based assessment. Granted not many are face to face but the full 43 page questionnaire is very much an assessment of the individual's needs and abilities.

 

[Kingfisher101]

As we were done over by HMRC and now have to pay money back for mini CK 1 we got for carers even though the people in the NHS said we should still be getting it then f#

I dont see how you were done over because the information regarding how much you could earn and still claim carers allowance has always been widely available. You should have checked with the carers allowance section of the DWP really.

 

[gbb]

In my experience, and understanding of the entire PIP process, every application is based on a points based assessment. Granted not many are face to face but the full 43 page questionnaire is very much an assessment of the individual's needs and abilities.

Add to that it (almost certainly) has to be supported by your medical records /hospital/ doctors.

 

[BoldonLad]

If you are on the higher rate of PIP you get a mobility allowance which can be put towards the Mobility Scheme instead of given as cash and you can get almost any car on a lease; some luxury brands included however you may need to make an upfront payment.

PIP is also a benefit that isn’t means tested as it’s to compensate for those with a long term health condition or illness which means they can’t work. It is supposed to be akin to a salary in lieu of working and therefore it doesn’t matter what your income, savings or living position is. However, that said the person you are living with might be effected if on UC as you need to declare it.

I am no expert, but, I thought PIP was payable even if you were capable of some work, and, indeed, if you worked? This appears to be the case according to Government website https://www.gov.uk/pip/eligibility

 

[BoldonLad]

If he can afford to buy a new Porsche he's seriously taking the piss!! Claiming housing allowance while living with someone elsewhere is also taking the piss! I'm surprised he isn't subletting the house he gets housing allowance for to seriously take the piss even more! It's folk like this who make it difficult for me when we keep hearing about those on PIP and Universal Credit 'faking it' with the government now snooping on bank accounts etc.

Daughter No4 was renting a house under those circumstances some years ago, the "real" tenant was living with his girlfriend, and subletting the house, while in receipt of housing benefit or whatever it is called now. I think it is a reasonably common "earner", I know at least two people who are doing exactly that. A similar "fiddle" is couples co-habiting, but, keeping both partners (housing benefit funded) properties, just in case they have a tiff.

Daughter No4 now has her own flat (paid for by herself), I have no idea what the status of the sublet property is.

 

[mickle]

I agree with all of your post except the last sentence which is at best misleading as I don't believe you meant any harm by it.

While it's true people who are unwell can receive PIP many are not unwell. My son, 36, has Downs syndrome. He receives the full PIP. He enjoys Supported Living in the Community and shares a house with three other men who are unable to care for themselves or work. They all receive PIP.

These guys are not ill. They are fit, healthy and enjoy life but do have particular needs. They receive PIP for precisely the reason the name suggests, to help their personal independence.

It's a very difficult benefit to claim which from what I read is going to get a whole lot harder.

Fair point, well made.

 

[cyberknight]

I dont see how you were done over because the information regarding how much you could earn and still claim carers allowance has always been widely available. You should have checked with the carers allowance section of the DWP really.

nothing to do with earnings in this case so im afraid your wrong , mini ck 1 had a telephone review of her needs and they basically said shes capable of doing things when shes not and they said they were goign to stop our carers allowance which we contested and eventually lost ,Since then we have been told we should still get it and not be paying anything back.

 

[Kingfisher101]

O.K. If she's not getting PIP now though you wont be able to get Carers Allowance for her. You will have to pay it back if she wasn't on PIP when you claimed it. I think you need to speak to Welfare Rights really.