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mudsticks

Obviously an Aubergine
With respect... what the feck has it got to do with you? A bloke complaining about 'women only sessions' is like complaining about disabled parking spaces when you're able bodied, or parent/child parking spaces when you don't have kids. Get a grip man! :rolleyes:

I kindov agree, but I think it's sometimes also useful to explain stuff in detail.

People don't necessarily know about stuff if they've never had it pointed out to them, or never been required to think it through.

Unknown unknowns,
or unrealised privelege even.

To be fair, I think it was quite big of accy to say that he has thought about it, and changed his viewpoint a bit.
 

twentysix by twentyfive

Clinging on tightly
Location
Over the Hill
In your opinion pools are boring, I quite enjoyed my hour in the pool this morning and was not bored at all.
Well done that man. :thumbsup:
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
With respect... what the feck has it got to do with you? A bloke complaining about 'women only sessions' is like complaining about disabled parking spaces when you're able bodied, or parent/child parking spaces when you don't have kids. Get a grip man! :rolleyes:
With all due respect,what poor analogies you've given there. You're implying that women are weaker than men,even disadvantaged. Some feminist would call you 'sexist' for that.:rolleyes:
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
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To be fair, I think it was quite big of accy to say that he has thought about it, and changed his viewpoint a bit.
..and went on to state that he didn't want women only sessions.
With all due respect,what poor analogies you've given there. You're implying that women are weaker than men,even disadvantaged. Some feminist would call you 'sexist' for that.:rolleyes:
Oh dear... you really are clutching at straws... get a grip man!
 

mudsticks

Obviously an Aubergine
With all due respect,what poor analogies you've given there. You're implying that women are weaker than men,even disadvantaged. Some feminist would call you 'sexist' for that.:rolleyes:

I tried to help you out, I gave you some info, which you even had the decency to absorb, you were doing quite well there for a moment.

A point even, to you, for thinking about it, and imagining yourself in someone else's place, for a moment.

But darn sorry, no, no feminist would say that women only swimming sessions are 'sexist'..

Or certainly not in the world as it is today.

They would say that women only sessions recognise that men have historically, and up to present day used their averagely greater physical strength, and tendency towards aggression, or threat of such usage to make women feel uncomfortable.


Women tend to be (but are not always) less physically, powerful than men.

This muscular strength is a physiological biological advantage that men have historically used to 'be in charge' to wield the most power.

A hang-over from the days of 'might is right'

Once civilisation struck (in some parts) it was recognised that men had hitherto abused this greater physical power, and aggression often manifesting as violence, physical, verbal, or even sexual violence, to gain all sorts of other powers,

Financial, social, political, reproductive, and all the rest of it.

Feminism seeks to have recognised, and redressed this unequal power balance, between the sexes.
And tries to make things more equal.

As you recognised yourself, some women (with good reason) sometimes feel threatened in the presence of unknown men, either as a result of their own lived experience, or from the historical experience of other women who have had various violences done to them.

Ergo they are naturally (or you could argue have learnt to be) more wary, and therefore feel happier and more relaxed in persuing their sporting activities. ( Particularly when clad only in minimal clothing) Away from the male gaze, judgement, or potential unwanted attentions.

Many of these men of course wish these women no ill, at all.. But how are they to tell the difference?

Enough men have, over history, and even still now have wished, or done them. ill, enough times for them to prefer single sex activities.

It's unfortunate that this 'guilty until proven innocent' attitude has arisen.. Within large parts of the female population. But it is as a direct result of (some) mens behaviour.. It's not as a result of women behaving badly.. They are just being themselves..

I'm not sure I've really got the energy to explain any further.

If you're really not getting it yet, I'm not sure there's any hope..

Perhaps imagine you raised your head from your powerful front crawl, up and down the lanes, to discover that the rest of the pool is inhabited only by women..

Perhaps they're tidy engaged in a breaststroke, (the technique of which meets your approval naturally)

If you happen to notice this gender imbalance at all, would it in anyway perturb you..?
Make you feel uncomfortable?

Probably not, you might even consider yourself lucky to find yourself in such pleasant company.

A female however, finding herself surrounded by a pool full of guys, that she didn't know, might feel otherwise, yes??

So no, it's not sexist to have women only swimming sessions, it's sexist not to recognise why some women may feel more comfortable attending them.
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
There's just no hope for some people.

Can you please explain to the group why you're so against women only swim & gym sessions?
I've explained it already. :rolleyes:
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
I tried to help you out, I gave you some info, which you even had the decency to absorb, you were doing quite well there for a moment.

A point even, to you, for thinking about it, and imagining yourself in someone else's place, for a moment.

But darn sorry, no, no feminist would say that women only swimming sessions are 'sexist'..

Or certainly not in the world as it is today.

They would say that women only sessions recognise that men have historically, and up to present day used their averagely greater physical strength, and tendency towards aggression, or threat of such usage to make women feel uncomfortable.


Women tend to be (but are not always) less physically, powerful than men.

This muscular strength is a physiological biological advantage that men have historically used to 'be in charge' to wield the most power.

A hang-over from the days of 'might is right'

Once civilisation struck (in some parts) it was recognised that men had hitherto abused this greater physical power, and aggression often manifesting as violence, physical, verbal, or even sexual violence, to gain all sorts of other powers,

Financial, social, political, reproductive, and all the rest of it.

Feminism seeks to have recognised, and redressed this unequal power balance, between the sexes.
And tries to make things more equal.

As you recognised yourself, some women (with good reason) sometimes feel threatened in the presence of unknown men, either as a result of their own lived experience, or from the historical experience of other women who have had various violences done to them.

Ergo they are naturally (or you could argue have learnt to be) more wary, and therefore feel happier and more relaxed in persuing their sporting activities. ( Particularly when clad only in minimal clothing) Away from the male gaze, judgement, or potential unwanted attentions.

Many of these men of course wish these women no ill, at all.. But how are they to tell the difference?

Enough men have, over history, and even still now have wished, or done them. ill, enough times for them to prefer single sex activities.

It's unfortunate that this 'guilty until proven innocent' attitude has arisen.. Within large parts of the female population. But it is as a direct result of (some) mens behaviour.. It's not as a result of women behaving badly.. They are just being themselves..

I'm not sure I've really got the energy to explain any further.

If you're really not getting it yet, I'm not sure there's any hope..

Perhaps imagine you raised your head from your powerful front crawl, up and down the lanes, to discover that the rest of the pool is inhabited only by women..

Perhaps they're tidy engaged in a breaststroke, (the technique of which meets your approval naturally)

If you happen to notice this gender imbalance at all, would it in anyway perturb you..?
Make you feel uncomfortable?

Probably not, you might even consider yourself lucky to find yourself in such pleasant company.

A female however, finding herself surrounded by a pool full of guys, that she didn't know, might feel otherwise, yes??

So no, it's not sexist to have women only swimming sessions, it's sexist not to recognise why some women may feel more comfortable attending them.

How one can twist things to convince oneself that one is correct in action here.:rolleyes:
 

mudsticks

Obviously an Aubergine
How one can twist things to convince oneself that one is correct in action here.:rolleyes:

Ah but, full marks to you, for trying though.

Still we've had no sensible explanation of your aversion to women only sessions.

Merely that you personally. don't see the need.

Despite having been supplied, with an exhaustive (exhausting) explanation, as to why they're necessary.

Your resistance , to appreciating the needs of others, is part of the overall problem really.

Not sure if anything can be done about that tbh.
 
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