oldfatfool
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There are some real sad individuals on here, I can only suggest they piss off and live in a dictatorship/ communist block country and see how they like it 
Happy 90th birthday ma`am
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John the Monkey
Frivolous Cyclist
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Cripes! Constitutional scholars will be amazed to learn that those are the only alternatives to a monarchy.There are some real sad individuals on here, I can only suggest they piss off and live in a dictatorship/ communist block country and see how they like it
shouldbeinbed
Rollin' along
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hmm, figures are always helpful over pretty sure's.
And to be honest for all I dislike our current governmental incumbents, I'd rather have a parliamentary democracy than a hereditary familial despotism.
So in this strawman argument that you construct as if the hereditary monarchy and democratically appointed government offer the same management services, I know which I'd prefer to be dismantled to save the duplication of costs.
Also the cost vs value argument is weak at best and in the times we now live in : the systematic dismantling of the NHS, Police Services, Local Councils, state support should we find ourselves out of work and financially out of our depth etc, along with the prior selling off and failing to reverse those selling off events of other public assets that were in some cases (BR back in the day, Land Registry now just as e.g.'s) profitable does not ring true with the sycophantic treatment of this family.
We can see it with rail fares, heating and lighting provision to name a couple of nationalised industries of old ( oh by the way: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...y-fund-to-heat-buckingham-palace-2088179.html trying to tap into support for low income families, the mind boggles) that if we have to buy-in personal security / home / road etc policing, have the little plaque on the house wall for the right private fire service we employ to come and put the fire out should the worst happen, and our medical care (US personal bankruptcies are largely the result of medical bills) and refuse collection, road, street lighting, sanitation etc as individuals would cost us inordinately more at market rates than we pay out in local and national taxation for them. (what have the Romans done for us)
The whole notion of monarchy looks increasingly out of touch and anachronistic when you take off the deferential blinkers.
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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- You want hills? We got hills
It's the deference I don't like. Frankly, in the overall scheme of things, the cost to us of having a Monarchy is very small. There are offsetting revenues and we can all argue whether these fully or partially offset the cost of the infrastructure.
But all that kowtowing. It's from a different era and really deserves to be consigned to history
But all that kowtowing. It's from a different era and really deserves to be consigned to history
I don't really hate them, after all, we are all born to something. It's the fact their births represent privilege and entitlement. While they exist they shore up the foundations of such notions for others. You could argue the filthy rich and elite do the same I guess but not quite in the same way. Ultimately such notions of privilege hold back meritocracy.
I'm not bitter about it though and extend my silent birthday greetings to the old bat. Anything to keep Charlie off the throne.
I'm not bitter about it though and extend my silent birthday greetings to the old bat. Anything to keep Charlie off the throne.
Electric_Andy
Heavy Metal Fan
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Whatever your views on the royal family, there is more to it than just sitting on a multi-billion pound estate and wearing a crown. All the PR work both home and away, for a start. Lots of countries envy our royals. Furthermore, Wills and harry have got on with their lives and overcome a lot. Mum dying, UNiversity, going into the forces and passing out etc. And all this with the dreaded media looking over your shoulder.
The Queen has also done lots to promote our country and to foster good relations in terms of business and sport. Yes I am jealous of their wealth, but I wouldn't want to be them, the responsibility and lifestyle would do me in. I hope she passes away when she's good and ready, but when she does go it will be a time of both sadness and new hope for lots of people.
The Queen has also done lots to promote our country and to foster good relations in terms of business and sport. Yes I am jealous of their wealth, but I wouldn't want to be them, the responsibility and lifestyle would do me in. I hope she passes away when she's good and ready, but when she does go it will be a time of both sadness and new hope for lots of people.
Racing roadkill
Guru
Very true, it's a shame we don't hang draw and quarter traitors anymore.There are some real sad individuals on here, I can only suggest they piss off and live in a dictatorship/ communist block country and see how they like it
Smokin Joe
Legendary Member
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If the alternative to the Monarchy is yet another elected politician then thank God for them. The Queen is the perfect head of state, apolitical and no power whatsoever.
Racing roadkill
Guru
And a selling point for the tourist industry, and a useful thing to have to give us the edge over the peasant states, in attracting business.
She makes us a fortune in London.
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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She needs to at £5+ a pint
£5 a pint? Well, if you are non-local and end up in the grotty cheaper places maybe....
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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You're right. I was quoting the Wetherspoons price in East Ham. I suspect you're quite familiar with it
