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[palinurus]

I must know different young graduates to some members on here.

It would be a bit odd if it were otherwise. I doubt the ones I know are any more representative (my sample would be mostly from the industry I work in)

 

[marinyork]

All I'm saying is that many graduates go on to have good careers. I've met many youngsters (and recruited a good number) with decent degrees who have gone on to have/are having decent careers and some have done extremely well for themselves.

It's not all doom and gloom in the graduate jobs marketplace.
If a graduate does end up working in a coffee shop ad-infinitum maybe they need to reflect inwards and ask why they are in that position. A degree is not an automatic passport to career success especially if the graduate does not possess the skills required (or at least aptitude to develop them) for the workplace environment.

Similarly, if a graduate is one or more of the following: inherently lazy, cynical, filled with an inflated sense of self-worth or lacking in motivation per se then maybe they too need to ask themselves some hard questions.

Maybe some of the degree laden coffee shop workers simply need to get off their backsides, wise up and realise that the world is not going to come to them and they need to take the initiative themselves.
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That's a very old fashioned viewpoint, nothing inherently wrong in it if some of those ideas aren't believed a bit too much. I expect on the personal level there's nothing wrong with it at all and you treat people well.

There is a huge amount of data to say that on average, if you have a degree you are over your lifetime going to earn more, graduates are on average less likely to be unemployed vs other cohorts such as A-level, GCSEs and no qualifications (and various other things).

The important questions are things like:-

Is this average that meaningful? More recent research seems to drag up such stark variances that I do not believe it to be the case.

Is the proportion of people in non-graduate jobs increasing? Yes.

Does it take longer on average now to find a graduate job (this is measured at 6 months, 1 year, 2 year, 5 year etc in reports)?

Why do graduate earnings seem to have stagnated the last 10 years? Is this a big deal vs rest of society and the lost decade or not?

Has the 'graduate premium' gone down?

Is it acceptable for internships and large amounts of time unpaid after graduation to get into some sectors?

What is the picture right now this year like for graduates and recent ones?

Is it more difficult to 'get on' than it was 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago?

Are there strong non-economic benefits to society and/or the individual of having studied a degree?

Are there other factors that matter a lot besides university, grade, subject? Yes, I believe there are if someone lives in an innovation hub with a thick jobs market they are likely to be substantially better off.

 

[Cuchilo]

If your just going to post bullsh!t replies please just do me a favour of not posting.

I don't think they are listening to you mate

 

[marinyork]

I don't think they are listening to you mate

If he wants any more practical advice from me I forgot to say earlier that for tesco, I don't know how many different departments he works on, but he needs to multi-skill to do as many jobs as possible. That may be essential to get overtime. Again different sites, don't know how it works for working at a 2nd site but if serious about overtime getting it at another branch is a possibility.

In the larger supermarkets of all varieties those people that do just 1 job are slowly being airbrushed out of history.

Also there's a pretty good forum verylittlehelps, some fantastic stuff on there (although don't read it if you don't want to get depressed about how downhill retail is going).

P.S. I'm sure you can get advice on your own company's enterprise social network they use, in their case Yammer. Ask nicely and they can probably tell you about best ways of getting overtime, progression, moving sideways in tescos etc.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

In the larger supermarkets of all varieties those people that do just 1 job are slowly being airbrushed out of history.

Same in contract catering, the ones like me that do it for a living (as opposite as say, students or working mothers that need only the 16 hours because of tax credits) have two or three jobs on the go.
For me it beats the monotony of the same old, but it must be difficult getting mortgages or finance.
I am glad I've passed the stage of needing to borrow!

 

[jamma]

Update

I have bee n layed off due to budget cuts and merger with another college

 

[DCLane]

Update

I have bee n layed off due to budget cuts and merger with another college

This could possibly be good news. In the long run at least.

 

[jamma]

This could possibly be good news. In the long run at least.

Yeah means going out on the new bike alot more than it just being stuck in the shed

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Yeah means going out on the new bike alot more than it just being stuck in the shed

Or time spent forging a long term reliable career with sensible hours?

 

[jamma]

Or time spent forging a long term reliable career with sensible hours?

And that

 

[marinyork]

And that

Out of interest are you multi-skilled on other departments other than counters?

 

[2IT]

Good luck jamma. Train and look for a job. Hopefully work won't interfere with your training and it will complement it.

And that

 

[jamma]

Out of interest are you multi-skilled on other departments other than counters?

Yes when i started i got trained on checkouts plus pizza counter and now have been trained on the deli and dairy plus hoping to get trained on bakery as well

 

[marinyork]

Yes when i started i got trained on checkouts plus pizza counter and now have been trained on the deli and dairy plus hoping to get trained on bakery as well

So checkouts and counters. Bakery is a good idea. You need to multi-skill on way more than this. Different counters is a bit provincial. What about fresh, produce, café, dry goods or dot.com?

 

[jamma]

So checkouts and counters. Bakery is a good idea. You need to multi-skill on way more than this. Different counters is a bit provincial. What about fresh, produce, café, dry goods or dot.com?

My store doesn't have dot.com or a cafe as the cafe is costa owned