"I can't help it if a cyclist falls over"

[lukesdad]

I was on 2 juries with the same person, in both instances his default position was, I know what the evidence shows but I don't want a conviction on my conscience so will say not guilty.

... and you let that effect the verdict ?

 

[lukesdad]

O M G !

Happens all the time get over it

 

[Crankarm]

Happens all the time get over it

I detect some hostility in your post. Why?

 

[lukesdad]

jurys will oppose each other cos some smoke and others don't FFS

 

[lukesdad]

I detect some hostility in your post. Why?[/quoyou detect wrong

oops you detect wrong

 

[Arfcollins]

I am view number 8600.

 

[shouldbeinbed]

... and you let that effect the verdict ?

No.

you seem to assume he was some sort of Henry Fonda persuader and the rest of us were weak willed or similarly unprofessional in our outlook to go along with him.

 

[raindog]

No.

you seem to assume he was some sort of Henry Fonda persuader

That film was on French TV here a couple weeks ago. Never seen it before - pretty interesting.

 

[Crankarm]

That film was on French TV here a couple weeks ago. Never seen it before - pretty interesting.

In France the judicial system is fundamentally the reverse of ours - you are guilty until proven innocent. So quite how the French understand 12 Angry Men would be interesting. They have an inquisitorial justice system as opposed to an adversarial and jury system that we have. Probably better to start another thread.

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[raindog]

In France the judicial system is fundamentally the reverse of ours

It used to be, Crank, but it was modified some years ago.

 

[Crankarm]

It used to be, Crank, but it was modified some years ago.

The Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of the Council of Europe says (art. 6.2): "Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law". This convention has been adopted by treaty and is binding on all Council of Europe members, including all members of the European Union.

I forgot this. Ooops .

 

[Origamist]

After writing a letter of condolence, I received a detailed and heart-felt reply form Denisa's parents (which I do not think is appropriate to post here).

I would only add that they are considering further legal redress and are still trying to come to terms with their loss.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

After writing a letter of condolence, I received a detailed and heart-felt reply form Denisa's parents (which I do not think is appropriate to post here).

I would only add that they are considering further legal redress and are still trying to come to terms with their loss.

Very good of you to write. By all accounts it was a sickening case and I wish them all the best in getting some piece of fairness out of the legal system.

 

[glenn forger]

maybe if someone set up a website highlighting this travesty it could coordinate the attempts of those who would like in any way, with advice or donations?

 

[Matthew_T]

Bizarrely, my family have been involved in a situation where a cyclist has been hit head on. I am not going into any detail but the road was pitch black and apparently the cyclist just 'appeared out of nowhere'. The cyclist is okay but just has lots of broken bones. I know the cyclist as he is in the local club.