"I can't help it if a cyclist falls over"

[ComedyPilot]

Juries are nominally random so, with low numbers thereof, skinheads forming a jury would be unlikely and trying a fellow even more so. Drivers, on the other hand, are two a penny. It would be unlikely for a whole jury of non-drivers to be assembled.

A couple of cycling/drivers wouldn't go amiss?

 

[ComedyPilot]

Adrian, it is abundantly clear our judicial system is failing vulnerable and non-vulnerable road users on an almost daily basis.

Now we can sit here all night throwing analogies at one another, but the stark reality is the general public has become so ensconced in the motoring world that they cannot (IMO) objectively and fairly try a (vulnerable) road death case.

 

[theclaud]

Now we can sit here all night throwing analogies at one another

Let's not. They're usually bad ones.

 

[ComedyPilot]

Let's not. They're usually bad ones.

Oi....that was cutting.....like a prized topiary being cleavered

 

[glenn forger]

[QUOTE 2692934, member: 9609"]Haven't read the whole story (too depressing) but I gather the driver was entirely blameless and received neither fine nor penalty points; So is the cyclist to blame for coming off her bike before the collision ? Could the drive claim for damage to her car ? For cyclists to be blameless must they stay on the bike until the collision occurs?
I would have thought if you went onto the wrong side of the road, collided with something it would be your fault - but apparently not.[/quote]

That's about the size of it. We get an abject failure by the justice system, then we get scumbag journalists and Boris trying to smear the dead girl by claiming she's never ridden a bike before and therefore maybe to blame. Ms Measures is a terrible, indecent human being, so are the people trying to blame Denisa.

 

[Dan B]

Now we can sit here all night throwing analogies at one another,

Analogy is the blunt rusty saw of internet discussion forums

 

[Dan B]

You need a like there

@theclaud has now obliged - thanks!

 

[ComedyPilot]

[QUOTE 2694332, member: 30090"]''A person who causes the death of another person by driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, is guilty of an offence.''[/quote]
Not if the victim was at fault due to 'your' driving.....

 

[snorri]

Yes they would. If you were charged with some crime, such as defrauding an insurance company, do you think that allocating a couple of employees of said company onto the jury "because they understand the issues" would be a good thing?

No, but one would hope the defence solicitor would be raising objections if the jury was seen to be all drivers and no cyclists.

 

[benb]

No, but one would hope the defence solicitor would be raising objections if the jury was seen to be all drivers and no cyclists.

How would they know?

 

[Pale Rider]

How would they know?

They wouldn't.

Jury questioning for the purposes of sifting is very rare in trials in this country.

 

[avalon]

What a totally scandalous decision. 'Justice' is a complete joke in this country. And as cyclists we're completely f*cked, as the place is clearly run by drivers for drivers. We're just the weirdos who get in their way, slow them down and damage their precious cages when they run us over. What a backwards sh*theap of a country this is.

It's not just the UK. it's an international problem.

 

[Gravity Aided]

They wouldn't.

Jury questioning for the purposes of sifting is very rare in trials in this country.

Wow! I've been rejected for cause on juries more often than by women or perspective employers...

 

[Pale Rider]

Wow! I've been rejected for cause on juries more often than by women or perspective employers...

From what I gather from over here, jury selection in America can take days of court time.

In the UK you get what you are given.

 

[Gravity Aided]

Days, or about 10 minutes. I grew up in a small city,27,000 or so at the time. It was the county seat as well. I'd get called for juries, walk in the room, and hear "rejected", turn around, and walk back out. In criminal trials, I believe the prosecution and defense have a certain number of jurors from pool they can reject without giving a reason.