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Perhaps the mere presence of a comprehensive tool kit is enough juju to keep breakdowns at bay.
Another option is a tool bottle. A friend if mine uses one. You can fit quite an extensive kit in there and it wouldn't be obvious to a casual observer that you were carrying anything.
Obviously not ideal for long rides in hot conditions with no access to shops as it restricts you to one bottle.
at least that was my idea when I bought one of those tool bottles, but genuinely I find I can fit more in a just an average sized saddle bag than the tool bottle, because the bag expands and I can just shove bits in no problem, even used it to store gels once, whereas the bottle is always width constrained anyway, but unless you can vacumn pack it, you struggle to fit more than a spare tube and a couple of tyre levers injust get two bottle racks then,as every modern bike has fittings for two bottle racksat least that was my idea when I bought one of those tool bottles, but genuinely I find I can fit more in a just an average sized saddle bag than the tool bottle, because the bag expands and I can just shove bits in no problem, even used it to store gels once, whereas the bottle is always width constrained anyway, but unless you can vacumn pack it, you struggle to fit more than a spare tube and a couple of tyre levers in
He obviously already has two, or putting in the tool bottle would leave him with none, rather than restricting him to one.
has anyone ever needed two water bottles ? I mean hands up I have, I once did a sportive with a water bottle and an electrolyte bottle, because everyone tells you, you need water & electrolyte, and I drank all the water bottle and filled it up at the stops with water, and got to the end and realised Id just taken my electrolyte bottle out for a long ride.
YMMV but one bottle normally suffices, its not about the volume of liquid you carry its how often can you refill it that counts, and if two is necessary, they do make saddle bags for tools...

has anyone ever needed two water bottles ? I mean hands up I have, I once did a sportive with a water bottle and an electrolyte bottle, because everyone tells you, you need water & electrolyte, and I drank all the water bottle and filled it up at the stops with water, and got to the end and realised Id just taken my electrolyte bottle out for a long ride.
YMMV but one bottle normally suffices, its not about the volume of liquid you carry its how often can you refill it that counts, and if two is necessary, they do make saddle bags for tools...
has anyone ever needed two water bottles ? I mean hands up I have, I once did a sportive with a water bottle and an electrolyte bottle, because everyone tells you, you need water & electrolyte, and I drank all the water bottle and filled it up at the stops with water, and got to the end and realised Id just taken my electrolyte bottle out for a long ride.
YMMV but one bottle normally suffices, its not about the volume of liquid you carry its how often can you refill it that counts, and if two is necessary, they do make saddle bags for tools...