I give up, totally messed up gearing

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jonny jeez

Legendary Member
I'd be surprised if this was causing the bad shifting, especially on a newish bike. I've messed with old Shimano derailleurs that have given years of service in the wet and mud of Lancashire with constant soakings in mucky water and washings and I've always been amazed at the smooth, play-free action of the springs and paralellogram pivots. They seem to be plain pins pressed into the alloy derailleur body and since the movement isn't much they seem to last forever. The only bits of Shimano derailleurs I've ever needed to refurbish, apart from the pulley wheels, is the main frame pivots and once, the cage pivot.

As I've written above, my money is on a worn or dirty or rusted cable outer inhibiting the shifting or a bent hanger, both problems I'd expect to inherit with a second-hand bike.
Oh, I agree but I'm not sure what happened to the bike before the op got it. So its worth checking that the spring is...springing. But your point about pivots is a good one.

I too suspect a knackered cable inner.
 

GuyBoden

Guru
Location
Warrington
Also, a good pair of cable cutters makes the job of changing cables a lot easier, your old pair of pliers are just no good. For outer cables, I slide a piece of wire into the cable before cutting, this stops the cable deforming.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
What difference does it make which way up the bike is? The headtube remains largely at the same angle whichever way up the bike is.

Take a look at the headset tube and the arrangement of the bearing seats and cups or whatever and you'll see that they are set up to shed water that runs down from above. Washing the bike upside-down means water will just run straight in. Cartridge headset bearings are sealed but once water gets in around them they are in a permanently damp environment and will deteriorate quickly. Old style ball bearings will rust up even faster.
 

S-Express

Guest
Washing the bike upside-down means water will just run straight in.

And it will run straight out again as soon as the bike is turned the right way. The lower race takes far more crap from general road spray - a bit of washing up water is not going to harm it.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
Have you ever pulled apart a headset that's had water inside it? Some may dribble out but moisture remains inside the area between steerer and head tube and keeps on evaporating and re-condensing. This makes a mess of anything steel and eventually alloy as well.
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
I would say that the bike hasn't done a thousand miles yet. I've done my runs on it and the previous owner about a hundred, if that. Coming to about 800 miles and very little in the rain. The bike is like new, which is what gives me the first idea about being used.

I think I have made up my mind and will go for a stand, god forbid, and will try it myself.
I thank you all for the help, you all have done well again and I am thankful.
One other video that might help (I would suggest you only refer to this video if the steps on the first do not solve the problem)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbk5RcH0bbQ&feature=iv&src_vid=6M_obzrBlnM&annotation_id=video%3A1f035a62-f8e7-4410-9610-ba1f15856a68

This video deals with issues that arise when straightforward indexing just doesn't do the job (which is rare) and talks about worn drive systems, mis-aligned derailleurs, un-seated wheels and of course...buggered cables.

Good luck.

J
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
Ah, brilliantly simple! I've been just cutting them and then opening up the deformed end with an awl.
I'll second that - it makes sense to me!
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
Also, a good pair of cable cutters makes the job of changing cables a lot easier, your old pair of pliers are just no good. For outer cables, I slide a piece of wire into the cable before cutting, this stops the cable deforming.
Top tip for stopping deformation of the outer...simple solutions are the best.
 
Also, a good pair of cable cutters makes the job of changing cables a lot easier, your old pair of pliers are just no good. For outer cables, I slide a piece of wire into the cable before cutting, this stops the cable deforming.

Never would have thought of that.
 
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