Which bit of looking where one is going and being able to stop within the distance one can see to be clear do you disagree with?
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Justinslow
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forget reasoned debate and rational thinking...common sense is all you need...that's where you're going wrong.
earlestownflya
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i don't disagree with it...but seeing a lit bike at 200m...is a lot better than seeing an unlit bike at 50m....wouldn't you agree?....common sense really...more time to react...more time to think....common sense really.
So, the lesson is... just slow the fark down and don't hit anyone, right? Just trying to get across this 'common sense' stuff.
earlestownflya
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you're kind of getting it....but of course if you're a driver there is no reason to slow dramatically in the dark,only when you see something that is an obstacle or something that could potentially become an obstacle
you're kind of getting it....but of course if you're a driver there is no reason to slow dramatically in the dark,only when you see something that is an obstacle or something that could potentially become an obstacle
How about not killing people? Or going slow in the first place, so that no dramatic slowing is required? Radical nancy-boy stuff, I know.
earlestownflya
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yes...but slowing down in the dark is not the law...speed limits apply 24hrs..you can't have cars travelling at 30mph on a 60 road..carnage would ensue
Being able to stop within the distance you can see to be clear is the law. HTH. There's no such thing as a 60mph road - only a road on which 60mph is the maximum allowed speed. Which obviously means you should be travelling at a lower speed in most conditions. It doesn't matter in the slightest to anyone except impatient drivers if they can't go 60mph. Pretty ghey stuff, eh?
mjr
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Come on be serious. The silly sods go at walking pace on the 40-limit road past my house every morning and evening and carnage doesn't ensue. It's more of a problem when they do 60 in the 40 limit and lose it going over the bridge - I think so far one house and a bus stop have been lost that way, plus a bridge parapet which has been replaced with an oh-so-picturesque concrete one... we can't have nice things because motorists destroy them.
earlestownflya
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obviously i'm not getting through...a road that carries a speed limit of 60mph allows vehicles to travel at that speed regardless of conditions and still be driving within the law...whether a driver chooses to slow down due to conditions is a personal choice after assessment of the driving conditions.
You're not really getting the 'maximum' thing, then? A less charitable person might conclude that you were not fit to drive a car on public roads. Being a homophobic nobber is neither here nor there in this regard, except that I strongly suspect a correlation.
mjr
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http://highwaycode.info/rule/125 - "The speed limit is the absolute maximum and does not mean it is safe to drive at that speed irrespective of conditions. Driving at speeds too fast for the road and traffic conditions is dangerous..."
Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 2 - "A person who drives a mechanically propelled vehicle dangerously on a road or other public place is guilty of an offence."
So actually it's pretty clearly outside the law... as if anyone was really unsure. This is like shooting fish in a barrel.
flake99please
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Should have read, spend some time on the road, on a bike.
slowmotion
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I don't know if the parishioners will think I'm being too charitable or too stupid, but I think that @Justinslow's original post might have been faintly to do with taking some kind of personal responsibility for one's own safety rather than delegating it to others. Anyway, I'm just off for a spot of Dad Dancing on the local level crossing. On previous occasions the eagle-eyed train drivers have sounded their horns and I've staggered off the line with a few seconds to spare. No harm done.
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Justinslow
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Yes it was...........
But to go to @earlestownflyas post - if I'm on a national speed limit road as a driver and go round a tight bend, my speed will drop to say 40 or 30 or whatever - not still be at 60, even at this slower speed you'd be onto a dimly unlit cyclist in a "flash", as a cyclist it's common sense to give yourself a fighting chance to be seen, not rely on the drivers super eyesight to save the day.
Of course accidents will happen whatever the scenario, take this one-
Young freshly qualified driver hits and kills cyclist at night (don't know what he was wearing or if he had lights on). Everybody jumps to conclusions and blames the young driver, being a young driver and struggling with the insurance he accepted a lower quote but had a "black box" data logger fitted as part of the deal. It showed he was doing 25mph completely safely, the cyclist was stoned and "all over the road" apparently. Obviously, dangerous driving could still take place, even at 25 mph but in this case it didn't.
Maybe that's what we need as motorists - "black boxes" or cameras recording "in car" and out onto the road to make motorists "change their ways" - stop using phones, putting on make up etc etc and come to our rescue when we are accused of wrong doing.
Just saying "we don't need to make ourselves seen" is plainly dumb IMO.
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