Illegal behaviour rampant among HGV drivers.

[Dave 123]

Who are the people that are doing the killing, and who are the people that are being killed? Who are the people that are at risk of killing others? It might help you to understand better if you use the words "pedestrians", "cyclists" and "lorry drivers" in your answer.

People killing people full stop. I don't see why we need to get tribal about it. Or are cyclists lives worth more than others?

But thanks for your advice on me understanding things. Very helpful.

 

[theclaud]

People killing people full stop. I don't see why we need to get tribal about it. Or are cyclists lives worth more than others?

But thanks for your advice on me understanding things. Very helpful.

Evasive much? I'll help you out. Lorries and those responsible for operating them are killing pedestrians and cyclists. Neither pedestrians nor cyclists are killing lorry drivers or their employers. So who is responsible for the killing?

 

[Dave 123]

Evasive much? I'll help you out. Lorries and those responsible for operating them are killing pedestrians and cyclists. Neither pedestrians nor cyclists are killing lorry drivers or their employers. So who is responsible for the killing?

"Evasive much"? Grammatical claptrap.
"Neither pedestrians nor cyclists are killing lorry drivers or their employers....." Go on, prove that one.

 

[theclaud]

"Evasive much"? Grammatical claptrap.
"Neither pedestrians nor cyclists are killing lorry drivers or their employers....." Go on, prove that one.

You can't bring yourself to speak a simple truth about who is killing whom. I suggest that you go away and have a bit of a think.

 

[Dave 123]

You can't bring yourself to speak a simple truth about who is killing whom. I suggest that you go away and have a bit of a think.

People are killing people whilst using various modes of transport. In my second post I agree that lorries are a problem. I then go on to say that not only are lorries defective, but a percentage of all vehicles will be defective (these also kill cyclists and other road users).
In my opinion all vehicles can be a danger wether defective or otherwise, and that all operators need to be on their game regardless of which kind of vehicle they are using.
So can you prove that a cyclist has never killed a lorry driver then?
I am off to the gym now so you've a couple of hours to come back with a water tight reply.

I'm not sure if we're being really grown up or childish for arguing on a forum?

 

[glenn forger]

You're credibility just crashed and burned AFAIC. You made that statement in reply to Beano's reply that..... Now take a look at the title of your thread. Nobody said that? Give me strength.

The title of the thread is "Illegal behaviour rampant among lorry drivers". The links I've posted back this up.

If someone is unable to understand the thread title and think it reads something completely different, like "All lorry drivers break the law" then that's beano's fault for lacking basic reading skills.

 

[glenn forger]

[QUOTE 2860680, member: 45"] you can't come to the conclusion from your OP that "Two thirds of lorries defective or illegal" going on figures from targetted checks.[/quote]

Operation Mermaid, which is run by the Vehicle Operator Services Agency and police forces all over the U.K. and is virtually a random road-side MOT for HGVs, routinely show contravention rates of over 50%, which shows that there are a lot of illegal lorries out on the road.

http://buffalobillbikeblog.wordpress.com/tag/operation-mermaid/

The evidence from Operation Mermaid, which has been going on for years and years, suggests that hauliers routinely send out onto the roads vehicles which are not compliant with current legislation.

The police also say the checks are random:

Almost three-quarters of the lorries travelling on the M4 are breaking the law, shocked police revealed yesterday.

A spot-check on lorries travelling on the motorway in Wiltshire this week discovered and more than 71 per cent of them had some kind of illegal fault, either with the driver, the load or the lorry iself.

Police joined forces with other authorities at junction 15, for Swindon East, and pulled over 28 trucks from all over Europe at random.



http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-19924825-detail/story.html#ixzz2pppofIjq

They checked the lorries and the drivers, and more than half of them – 17 in total – were prevented from continuing their journeys until either their overweight loads were removed, or faults with the lorries were rectified.

You can argue semantics, I think the use of the word "rampant" with regard to dangerous or illegal HGV drivers is accurate and fair.

 

[Brandane]

The title of the thread is "Illegal behaviour rampant among lorry drivers". The links I've posted back this up.

If someone is unable to understand the thread title and think it reads something completely different, like "All lorry drivers break the law" then that's beano's fault for lacking basic reading skills.

When I went to school, "illegal behaviour" and "break the law" meant much the same thing. "Rampant among lorry drivers" and "all lorry drivers" sound fairly similar to me, too.

 

[glenn forger]

"Rampant among lorry drivers" and "all lorry drivers" sound fairly similar to me, too.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[glenn forger]

[QUOTE 2861068, member: 45"]Another online report of Operation Mermaid states that the checks were targeted.[/quote]

Got it?

Starting in 1995 the UK police began a practice of stopping vehicles at random in order to check that they were road worthy. Called Operation Mermaid it was found to be so successful that they are to repeat the practice on a nationwide scale in August 1998.

http://www.readabstracts.com/Retail...ionwide-police-road-blocks.html#ixzz2ppvgObgm

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

The Times quote below is about the construction trade in London. I'd call it sobering. As the construction trade is not predominantly occupied with long distance trucking, I think we can probably discount the ''enemy from without'' distraction.

With that out of the way, I'd be very interested in what our truckers have to say about these figures and whether they can see that there is an enormous problem.

In the first two months of a police clampdown on the most dangerous construction vehicles, 622 out of the 821 lorries stopped by officers failed to comply with the existing safety rules. Only 32 trucks had mirrors and safety equipment, including bars to prevent cyclists being crushed beneath the wheels, as required by law.

Just 24 per cent of vehicles complied with regulations covering maintenance, how loads are carried, insurance and how long drivers have been on the road. Officers fined 243 lorry drivers for operating without a licence or working long hours, or for driving with insecure loads, broken lights or running a truck that was in poor condition.

 

[glenn forger]

Drivers face random searches at nationwide police road-blocks:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/d...-at-nationwide-police-roadblocks-1171084.html

I suppose you could argue the stops are random, but the police target defective vehicles or criminal drivers, neither of those are apparent til the vehicle's been stopped?

 

[400bhp]

Does writing in big letters make the point more valid.

 

[glenn forger]

It's cost the text I c&pd was large, so no, no more than posting laughing smileys makes you funny.

 

[400bhp]

Is it rampant?