In hatred of helmet lights.

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martint235

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
He's a big norvern wuss..but he's our big norvern wuss... and I say that standing next to him in the pic...:okay:

And his bike in the pic.. it was never cleaned... ever... pure filth.

Notice how his saddle near reaches my armpit.
Oh and you have to note I'm stood next to a load of southern shorta**es. :hello:
 

Andrew_P

In between here and there
Nah.. we are all 5ft 8, (apart from @Mista Preston , he's 4ft 1) he's 7ft...
I know I should stop but I must great drafting Martin. I could sit up and light a fag.
 
He's a big norvern wuss..but he's our big norvern wuss... and I say that standing next to him in the pic...:okay:

And his bike in the pic.. it was never cleaned... ever... pure filth.

Notice how his saddle near reaches my armpit.
In those days, Tallmart used to have an allotment on his rear stays...and his tea money was always "in my other jersey.":whistle:
Some things just don't change. His helmet was worn by Mrs T when he used to chain her to the wall in the cupboard under the stairs, before disappearing on a long ride - with her purse.
:snowball:
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it!


A be-seen-type light, but the meaning of that depends on your attitude to being seen - in an urban context, some people feel they must compete with cars and floodlights. Anyway, I don't think we're ever going to agree on head torches v parked cars, so let's leave it before it gets to name-calling and hope neither of our approaches results in any harm.

I agree that dazzling helmet lights (or those mounted elsewhere) are a menace. My own objections to being dazzled by thoughtless helmet light wearers is well recorded, as any search will confirm.

I took issue with your post because I don't like words being put into my mouth, particularly when my position is to the contrary - see below >.

https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/front-light-on-handlebars-or-helmet.172527/post-3478846
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/two-front-headlights.190954/post-4031194
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/front-light-on-handlebars-or-helmet.172527/post-3477862
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/front-light-on-handlebars-or-helmet.172527/post-3479660
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/helmet-torches.108659/#post-1986404

Hopefully this makes things clearer.


GC
 

StuartG

slower but no further
Location
SE London
Clearly some cyclists think the more lights the better - with at least half of them flashing. I have real doubts about the Christmas tree approach. A good light (flashing or not) back or front is something I can lock onto quickly as I scan the road and identify and modify my behaviour as appropriate. Too many lights is confusing. Is it one or two cyclists, what speed, direction? It takes time to assess and if there several headwaving 'sol et lumiere' merchants bearing down on you then sensory overload is a real risk.

Well it is if you have a peanut brain. And roads sort of attract them ...
 
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martint235

martint235

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Welling
Clearly some cyclists think the more lights the better - with at least half of them flashing. I have real doubts about the Christmas tree approach. A good light (flashing or not) back or front is something I can lock onto quickly as I scan the road and identify and modify my behaviour as appropriate. Too many lights is confusing. Is it one or two cyclists, what speed, direction? It takes time to assess and if there several headwaving 'sol et lumiere' merchants bearing down on you then sensory overload is a real risk.

Well it is if you have a peanut brain. And roads sort of attract them ...
Interesting.

I had a small Catlight until I did my first FNRttC and found it was totally inadequate. I've been running Hope ever since.

I'll agree there's a big difference between central London and a dark lane. I will now rethink my lighting.
 

crazyjoe101

New Member
Location
London
As others will have doubless said, dazzling lights are horrible, especially when they're mounted on a helmet as they tend to get pointed straight into people's faces. On the other hand, in my opinion at least, they do help visibility* and are great for seeing around corners when offroading.
The problem I think lies with the trend for brighter brighter brighter for cycling lights with little thought to anything else; when I was looking for a helmet light all I could find were really powerful ones with bright 'low' modes, or weak ones with no powerful modes and abysmal battery life. I ended up getting a Fenix E12 which is a little LED x1 AA 'penlight' (small torch), it has 8, 50 and 150 lumen modes; the 8 lumen is perfect for using on road to point at people - non dazzling, noticeable and about 30h of use, the 150 lights up an offroad trail well enough to see with. I mounted it with an Exposure mount and a thick rubber shim.

Short version: helmet lights on road should be on a constant low power mode and can be useful for being seen behind traffic.

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-they can be seen over cars etc
-they can be used to point at cars on sideroads, pedestrians etc. to get someone's attention
-might help other people judge your distance when you have a second light on handlebars
 

crazyjoe101

New Member
Location
London
If helmet lights are such a benefit then why do cars not have a supplementary light on a 5' pole?

It's probably something to do with how adding a 5' pole onto a car would be just a bit impractical compared to adding a tiny light onto a cycle helmet and how many people people seem to have nowhere near as much trouble spotting cars as they do smaller vehicles.
 
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