Intimidation with vehicle

[Crankarm]

Actually the driver didn't give veloevol enough time to delay him, he accelerates off the speed bump & doesn't stop accelerating until he needs to brake for the second speed bump. In doing so commits to a dangerous manoeuvre that he couldn't complete before impinging on the riders road space!


What has being a petrol head got to do with anything? Oh yeah, the fact I'd never drive like that, I like my cars to much. Also means I'm motivated enough to go out & become a RoSPA advanced driver. This means actually learning how drive to a high standard by developing good observational skills, on-the-fly risk assessment & manoeuvre planning. I also know had I pulled that stunt on an assessed drive I'd lose my RoSPA AD status.

In my experience those who claim to have enhanced levels of skill on the roads eg IAM, RoSPA advanced drivers, cycling instructors make for the worst drivers and cyclists. Do you wear a flat cap and leather gloves when you drive by any chance? I have an image of peds jumping for their lives as you steam round Cambridge at 25-30mph on your bike as you claim to have such superieur acceleration and can ride much faster than most cyclists.

 

[Crankarm]

Clearly not. But then you've already voluntarily surrendered your right to the road, so are probably about as well qualified to offer advice as the d**khead driver in the video.

The content of your post does not really give the impression that it was written by a lefty Guardian muncher which is the image I believe you like to promote but more like an intolerant individual with extreme right wing views.

 

[theclaud]

The content of your post does not really give the impression that it was written by a lefty Guardian muncher which is the image I believe you like to promote but more like an intolerant individual with extreme right wing views.

Whatever, as the young folk say...

 

[Matthew_T]

My driving instructor said that the worst drivers are the ones who have taken an advanced driving course. I even heard that they are taught not to signal if noone is around. How can you possibly know noones around?

 

[Mr Haematocrit]

My driving instructor said that the worst drivers are the ones who have taken an advanced driving course. I even heard that they are taught not to signal if noone is around. How can you possibly know noones around?

I am the holder if a IAM ( Institute of Advanced Motorist ) license and a PCV licence and can categorically state that at no point during my training was signaling intention considered optional. You are taught that you have a certain responsibility when in control of a vehicle and one of them is signaling in due time intent to change direction, who was or was not around was never discussed. You were instructed to do prior to the maneuver.

I would also consider changing your driving instructor as I would hope that someone in such a position had more extensive training and knowledge of the highway code than the average road user. This person then went on to state that people with a greater training and knowledge of the highways like himself are the worst drivers

 

[400bhp]

In my experience those who claim to have enhanced levels of skill on the roads eg IAM, RoSPA advanced drivers, cycling instructors make for the worst drivers and cyclists. Do you wear a flat cap and leather gloves when you drive by any chance? I have an image of peds jumping for their lives as you steam round Cambridge at 25-30mph on your bike as you claim to have such superieur acceleration and can ride much faster than most cyclists.

BELLEND ALERT

 

[Crankarm]

BELLEND ALERT

ROFLMAO!

 

[400bhp]

1. stop being a nobber

2. learn to spell

3. i'm keeping you off ignore for now as you are reasonably entertaining (bit like an organ grinder's monkey) but that may change.

 

[GrasB]

In my experience those who claim to have enhanced levels of skill on the roads eg IAM, RoSPA advanced drivers, cycling instructors make for the worst drivers and cyclists. Do you wear a flat cap and leather gloves when you drive by any chance? I have an image of peds jumping for their lives as you steam round Cambridge at 25-30mph on your bike as you claim to have such superieur acceleration and can ride much faster than most cyclists.

Has logic failed you & now you've got to attack the person?
Name my maximum speeds acheved on the following roads:
Silver Street
Kings Street
Storey's Way
Oxford Road
Grange Road
Harvey Road
These are some of the roads I regularly ride down. Oh while you're at it name the modal maximum & average on those roads too.

V for Vengedetta, my copy of roadcraft says that there is no reason to signal when there isn't someone who may benefit from the signal. There are mixed opinions as to how sensible this concept actually it. However, signalling becomes fairly irrelevant most of the time when a vehicle is moving as (sub)conscious road positioning tends to give a much clearer indication of what the driver is planning.

 

[400bhp]

V for Vengedetta, my copy of roadcraft says that there is no reason to signal when there isn't someone who may benefit from the signal. There are mixed opinions as to how sensible this concept actually it. However, signalling becomes fairly irrelevant most of the time when a vehicle is moving as (sub)conscious road positioning tends to give a much clearer indication of what the driver is planning.

+1 on signalling. I was taught to signal if it is useful.

 

[smutchin]

Not at all. I viewed the footage and felt the cyclist's road manners and positioning were poor, holding the car up and then shouting at the driver were unecessary.

The footage reminds me of a road I use regularly on my commute. I tend to stay out towards the centre of the road even when there's no parked car immediately to my left because there's always another one coming up soon and I don't want to get boxed in.

As for "holding the car up", that argument doesn't really hold water - if the driver is in such a hurry to get somewhere, how come he has time to stop and chat about it? Drivers do tend to overestimate how much time they lose through being "held up" by cyclists (and it's always far less time than they lose to being held up by other traffic). If he just chilled a bit and didn't drive so aggressively, he would get where he's going just as soon, with his clutch in better condition and his blood pressure lower.

Also, don't blame the cyclist anyway - blame the people using the public highway as a car park.

 

[Matthew_T]

I am the holder if a IAM ( Institute of Advanced Motorist ) license and a PCV licence and can categorically state that at no point during my training was signaling intention considered optional. You are taught that you have a certain responsibility when in control of a vehicle and one of them is signaling in due time intent to change direction, who was or was not around was never discussed. You were instructed to do prior to the maneuver.

I would also consider changing your driving instructor as I would hope that someone in such a position had more extensive training and knowledge of the highway code than the average road user. This person then went on to state that people with a greater training and knowledge of the highways like himself are the worst drivers

I dont think that I was clear with my post. My instructor didnt tell me that people didnt signal, I heard it elsewhere a while ago. My instructor said that taxi drivers and police officers are some of the worst drivers around because they have been taught the wrong things (dont as me what as we didnt go into that much detail).
My instructor is very good and has taught me to signal correctly. There is nothing wrong with his tutoring.

 

[Nigeyy]

Getting a bit off subject I know.....

I think the problem with this approach is that it depends on knowing that there isn't someone who may benefit from a signal. I definitely believe that if you don't get into a systematic approach, then you're going to miss a time when there is someone who would benefit from a signal, but who you just haven't seen (given human nature, I'd say that's very likely). Additionally, I think the use of a signal (when used in a systematic approach) is more likely to prompt use of proper observation (e.g., if you get so ingrained in using a signal, you know you should look and observe before putting it on, so it becomes an automatic action). Also, and while I've never had to put this to the test, I'd think in the case of an accident (where perhaps you had no awareness of another road user) and if you are using a signal, it may help you in terms of insurance and clarify your actions if you were not at fault.

I agree that most times sub conscious positioning on the road let's people know where you are going, but that also presupposes that you aren't a terrible road user with no clue of road positioning, or decide at the last minute -but then I guess signalling might be the last thing you'd think of doing . I also think nothing's perfect; one of the problems with using a systematic approach is that if you're not careful you can go onto auto-pilot and while you make the motions of looking into a mirror or looking behind you, you're really not observing -just following a series of motions. Course, that can be applied whether you use a signal or not -which is why I prefer the systematic approach of always using a signal. It just seems to me there are too many reasons to use a signal rather than use them when you think it will only benefit someone (I'm open to be persuaded if there are really good reasons!). Having said that, there may be times when it is beneficial to purposely not use a signal in terms of safety (e.g. pot holes in the road, iffy road surface -done that quite a few times when you need full control of your bike) or to deliberately obfuscate intent (maybe shielding someone on the road?) but I can't recall coming across that.

V for Vengedetta, my copy of roadcraft says that there is no reason to signal when there isn't someone who may benefit from the signal. There are mixed opinions as to how sensible this concept actually it. However, signalling becomes fairly irrelevant most of the time when a vehicle is moving as (sub)conscious road positioning tends to give a much clearer indication of what the driver is planning.

 

[GrasB]

Nigeyy, the roadcraft method of advanced driving is a very systematic way to drive, however it's not an event driven system but a decision driven system. So to make a turn go through a system of observation & evaluation, only when I've gone to the end of that system do I make the decisions required to safely negotiate the turn. Part of that system has the sub-decision of do I signal or not, that decision in it's self is required to properly evaluate the turn.

 

[Nigeyy]

IMHO, that still doesn't justify not using a signal because you think there's no one there to benefit from it.

Nigeyy, the roadcraft method of advanced driving is a very systematic way to drive, however it's not an event driven system but a decision driven system. So to make a turn go through a system of observation & evaluation, only when I've gone to the end of that system do I make the decisions required to safely negotiate the turn. Part of that system has the sub-decision of do I signal or not, that decision in it's self is required to properly evaluate the turn.