400bhp
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Risk of signal and therefore auto pilot > risk of not signalling and not being on auto pilot.
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Risk of signal and therefore auto pilot > risk of not signalling and not being on auto pilot.
GrasB
Veteran
- Location
- Nr Cambridge
But in this statement you've shown you're working from an event based driving system which is outside the roadcraft system. If that's the case you'll not understand why the decision to indicate or not is an important one. I'm not going to do roadcraft signal theory 101, I've not got the patience, motivation or training. Suffice to say that it is one decision made in a chain within a robust system for driving safely.
Your personal system of driving is based on a different methodology. It's perfectly valid that your methodology fulfils the requied observational & situation evaluation, but simply negates a decision that the roadcraft system requires the driver to make.
Hip Priest
Veteran
Proper little Alan Partridge him wasn't he? I'm surprised he didn't yell 'Smell my cheese you mother!' as he sped off.
PocketFrog
Northern Monkey
Going back to the original video... if he was in such a rush to not be able to follow behind the cyclist... why did he stop to have a word and delay himself further?
Matthew_T
"Young and Ex-whippet"
- Location
- Prestatyn, North Wales
This is the ultimate question. And the correct answer is only one word: IMPATIENCE. The driver is trying to do everything at once: Pass the cyclist as quickly as possible, stop as quickly as possible, scream abuse as quickly as possible, no time to listen correctly to the reasonable cyclist so he just repeats the same smut over and over again until he realizes that he is in the wrong, and then blame cyclist, make a threat, and drive away.
In all of this, the driver never saw what the actual point of doing all this was and what he would achieve.
Boris Bajic
Guest
You may feel more comfortable making those statements once you have a full UK driving license in your hand.
On a wider point, my dream (impossible to realise) would be for all road users to have had experience driving or riding several different vehicle types. I think that much of what comes across as impatience, intolerance or bloody-mindedness may really just be ignorance.
I'll bet PSV and HGV drivers don't filter up the nearside of heavy vehicles when cycling.
There will be examples for all vehicle types, but I'm too thick to make the list.
Nigeyy
Legendary Member
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- Massachusetts, USA
There are many, many, many times when I've thought this! (for another example, I'd love to see car drivers experience riding two wheels if only to get an idea as to what road grip is -bet that would prevent some accidents).
Nigeyy
Legendary Member
- Location
- Massachusetts, USA
I think you're emphasizing the value of pre-decision making required to evaluate why to use a signal. I agree with that, but part ways when -basing this on the original post I'd replied to -your perception (notoriously not 100% robust BTW, but I haven't got time nor the patience to go through human psychology 101) says there isn't another road user around that will benefit from it.
Again, I'm open to persuasion, but I haven't seen in your response (and I do understand your adherence to a decision making process such as Roadcraft, and it is very admirable as it's a great system) any substantive reasoning to deliberately not signal when it's safe to do so, even if there is a perception no road user is there to benefit from doing so, versus signalling under similar conditions based on the reasons I'd outlined (again, open on this one as you never stop learning). In fact, aside from safety reasons, when would you deliberately choose not to signal after going through the decision making process?
Maybe I'm just a rebel livin' on the edge of the Roadcraft system..... anyway, let's hope for safe cycling and road use for us all -bet that's one thing we agree on!
Again, I'm open to persuasion, but I haven't seen in your response (and I do understand your adherence to a decision making process such as Roadcraft, and it is very admirable as it's a great system) any substantive reasoning to deliberately not signal when it's safe to do so, even if there is a perception no road user is there to benefit from doing so, versus signalling under similar conditions based on the reasons I'd outlined (again, open on this one as you never stop learning). In fact, aside from safety reasons, when would you deliberately choose not to signal after going through the decision making process?
Maybe I'm just a rebel livin' on the edge of the Roadcraft system..... anyway, let's hope for safe cycling and road use for us all -bet that's one thing we agree on!
markharry66
Guru
Just take deep breath and add them to your database.
Matthew_T
"Young and Ex-whippet"
- Location
- Prestatyn, North Wales
It keeps me occupied.
markharry66
Guru
Rock N Roll
Matthew_T
"Young and Ex-whippet"
- Location
- Prestatyn, North Wales
classic33
Leg End Member
*I know a few that will just take to the pavement to get past the slower moving vehicle, as oppossed to staying on the road. Asking one why he did it got the response that "there's to manyof them on the roads".You may feel more comfortable making those statements once you have a full UK driving license in your hand.
On a wider point, my dream (impossible to realise) would be for all road users to have had experience driving or riding several different vehicle types. I think that much of what comes across as impatience, intolerance or bloody-mindedness may really just be ignorance.
I'll bet PSV and HGV drivers don't filter up the nearside of heavy vehicles when cycling.*
There will be examples for all vehicle types, but I'm too thick to make the list.
GrasB
Veteran
- Location
- Nr Cambridge
@Crankarm as you seem unable to respond to my question I'll give you the answers:
* The first number is taken from early AM time frames, at 5:45-6:00am on the section near Huntingdon rd it's often clear of parked cars so at that time I continue down that stretch at speed, the second figure is taken from traveling after 7:30am
Charging around enclosed roads at 25-30mph? You have no idea of my riding style, yes I can go quickly but there's no point in training on city roads, there is way to much to go wrong at speed so I just relax & set my trip comp to alarm at passing 20mph.
* The first number is taken from early AM time frames, at 5:45-6:00am on the section near Huntingdon rd it's often clear of parked cars so at that time I continue down that stretch at speed, the second figure is taken from traveling after 7:30am
Charging around enclosed roads at 25-30mph? You have no idea of my riding style, yes I can go quickly but there's no point in training on city roads, there is way to much to go wrong at speed so I just relax & set my trip comp to alarm at passing 20mph.
