Is cycling turning me into a woman?

[Speicher]

Any remarks like that when you get there, and you might be wearing the dish and its contents.

 

[montage]

Any remarks like that when you get there, and you might be wearing the dish and its contents.

I'm sorry, I should know that there is nothing funny which has come out of sexism









...........apart from feminists

 

[Speicher]

Montage, I am very good at making puddings like apple pie, pineapple upside-down sponge, and especially treacle sponge. What is your favourite pudding?

 

[Mark_Robson]

Why is it so hard to accept, when pointed out to you, that certain jokes might be sexist? It does not mean that they were intended maliciously, or in anything other than a light-hearted way - only that they rely on assumptions that really ought by now to be obsolete. There is no need to question your wife's intentions or yours - only to point out that such jokes do not make sense as jokes unless you buy into the sexist assumptions that they rely on for their effect. If you really understand that there is no reason whatever that a woman would be more interested in colour-coordination than a man, that it is no more ridiculous for a man to be interested in clothes than it is for a woman, and that for a man to be compared to a woman is not an insult (the use of the word "worse" is interesting, as if it's axiomatic that to be like a woman is bad), the the whole point of the joke unravels.

I take your point although I can't pretend to agree with all of it as you seem to imply that to make any form of comarison between the sexes is by definition sexist.

 

[montage]

Yorkshire pudding, because it can be word associated with the Yorkshire Ripper, and he knew how to treat a woman proper

 

[Speicher]

Yorkshire Pudding (deliberately ignores the next comment with a quizzical look, and suggesting the Montage is a very young person) - Eggs and milk are in the fridge, flour is in the cupboard next to the oven, make it yourself.

 

[mcshroom]

I think that's stepping too far montage!

 

[Mac66]

Oh Dear,

Seems to have gone a bit wrong.

I will leave it to our viewers to decide the wisdom of making accusations based on a single email by someone that you don't know.

However, I have clearly upset a number of people and I apologise to all and hope that you will accept that the purpose of my post was to poke fun at myself, for what many would regard as unusal habits. Still, no excuse for what I can see on a reread could be taken as a piece of casual sexism, however far from my intent that was.

 

[Ravenbait]

Oh Dear,

Seems to have gone a bit wrong.

I will leave it to our viewers to decide the wisdom of making accusations based on a single email by someone that you don't know.

However, I have clearly upset a number of people and I apologise to all and hope that you will accept that the purpose of my post was to poke fun at myself, for what many would regard as unusal habits. Still, no excuse for what I can see on a reread could be taken as a piece of casual sexism, however far from my intent that was.

For what it's worth, I'm not upset by your original post and am perfectly able to see that your intent was self-deprecatory and not meant to be insulting towards women.

Also for what it's worth, I don't see anything wrong with you choosing to shave your legs, moisturise your face, colour-co-ordinate or wear a fetching Chanel evening dress if you want to. You don't even have to ride a bike. You certainly don't have to make excuses!

ETA: and thank you for being so gracious about the way the thread has turned out.

Sam

 

[Ravenbait]

I think that's stepping too far montage!

That depends on how idiotic he was trying to be.

Sam

 

[Speicher]

Oh Dear,

Seems to have gone a bit wrong.

I will leave it to our viewers to decide the wisdom of making accusations based on a single email by someone that you don't know.

However, I have clearly upset a number of people and I apologise to all and hope that you will accept that the purpose of my post was to poke fun at myself, for what many would regard as unusal habits. Still, no excuse for what I can see on a reread could be taken as a piece of casual sexism, however far from my intent that was.

I can see that was far from your intent. I thought your post was funny, and the ones that followed were in a similar vein. My post about how many shoes I took on holiday, and how to reverse were intended to be similarly light-hearted.

If you wish to colour co-ordinate your outfit to your bicycle that is fine. As would riding a pink bike, or wearing socks with sandals. Please do not expect me to totter around in high-heeled shoes while wearing close-fitting clothing. I am sure you get my drift.

 

[Ravenbait]

I take your point although I can't pretend to agree with all of it as you seem to imply that to make any form of comarison between the sexes is by definition sexist.

Women tend towards more subcutaneous body fat and less facial hair than men: biological fact, taking into account that there are exceptions.

Men shouldn't wear pink or wear skirts because that's girly: sexist.

Compare "You have how many shoes? You're as bad as Imelda Marcos!" with "You want another pair of shoes? You're worse than a woman!"

Sexual equality is not the same as believing men and women to be exactly the same. I seek sexual equality but I'd be well narked if a man were to race in my class in triathlon. It means understanding that there is no reason why there shouldn't be equal opportunities afforded to both men and women where physical limitations do not apply.

Sexual inequality is rife. It's everywhere. And, yes, women can be and often are sexist too. Contrary to how it may appear, I don't think any less of the people participating in this thread who do not understand what is wrong with the original post. That's the cultural environment in which we live. At one point it was seen (and in some places still is) as perfectly reasonable to deny women the vote. That was the cultural environment of the time. The important point to note is that the cultural environment is subject to change. Many people thinking like this, no matter how innocently, doesn't make it right.

If a man wants to moisturise, that's fine. It doesn't make him any more feminine. A man in a dress is not a woman. He's a man in a dress. If a woman chooses not to shave her legs, or to wear trousers, or shun pink, or clipper all her hair off to stop it getting in the way that doesn't make her more manly.

I wish I could find it hard to believe that there remains a need to explain all this, but, as I said, sexual inequality is rife, ingrained, and as difficult to budge as chain filth under the fingernails. It would be nice, however, if people were to be more open-minded instead of waving the political correctness gone maaaaaaad line.


Sam

 

[Crackle]

I took the original post as self deprecatory with rather obvious stereotyping set up to poke fun at the OP. Sterotyping in the same vain as men can't multi-task or male pattern blindness or man flu, absolutely no difference. Unfortunately I don't find either type of stereotyping funny, it's a bit too close to the Bernard Manning school of humour for me, I prefer to take the piss out of myself in a different way (that's not an invitation).

 

[fossyant]

Oh Dear,

Seems to have gone a bit wrong.

I will leave it to our viewers to decide the wisdom of making accusations based on a single email by someone that you don't know.

However, I have clearly upset a number of people and I apologise to all and hope that you will accept that the purpose of my post was to poke fun at myself, for what many would regard as unusal habits. Still, no excuse for what I can see on a reread could be taken as a piece of casual sexism, however far from my intent that was.

Mac66 the real big offender you didn't mention................. is really really serious.........................





There was no mention of mechanical fettling, nor some serious kit polishing............... you, my son (daughter ) are in the Fossy/Ianr SIN BIN................ you have failed.............. you are in the trash.....................

For more information about the club,...................... get polishing................. or else..............

 

[ttcycle]

Mac66 the real big offender you didn't mention................. is really really serious.........................





There was no mention of mechanical fettling, nor some serious kit polishing............... you, my son (daughter ) are in the Fossy/Ianr SIN BIN................ you have failed.............. you are in the trash.....................

For more information about the club,...................... get polishing................. or else..............

As penance carry a pack of babywipes wherever you go..

it helps with the moisturizing btw if you have a 'clean' face and bike.

Don't worry, no offence taken and fully appreciate the response you posted.