Is Vaping in a School OK?

[Slioch]

Vapers appear to combine the self-entitled whining of smokers, and the ill-informed technobollocks of HiFi freaks. Thank fark they're unlikely to breed!

Nice.

 

[slowmotion]

Intolerance should be drummed into children at an early age. It empowers them to become self-righteous in later life.

Oh, hang about....

 

[Paul99]

Edit - I've now read the whole thread.
Of course it's about the entitlement, and rubbishing any research that contradicts that.
Vapers appear to combine the self-entitled whining of smokers, and the ill-informed technobollocks of HiFi freaks. Thank fark they're unlikely to breed!
*ducks*

So you've read a thread on a forum and have formed an opinion. An ill-informed opinion.

It isn't about entitlement for me, I never vape where I would consider it to be inappropriate (places where I believe others may not like me to). What I don't like is people who have no idea what they are talking about, spewing poorly written journalism as 'evidence' that it's a danger to users and others, when ALL peer reviewed AND supported evidence shows that it is no such thing.

I haven't rubbished any research. The research was peer-reviewed by scientists in the relevant field and rubbished by them.

 

[Paul99]

It releases a fog of who-knows-what, including nicotine, which we know is addictive.
If people want to indulge, I reckon its up to them to show it's safe, rather than for non-participants to show it isn't.
Or is it the self entitlement that smokers always had, only now it's 'not smoking' so that's OK?

No, it has to be shown to be dangerous. That's how it works.

You can't ban something and just tag it with 'we don't know' as justification.

 

[tyred]

I'd be genuinely very surprised if there were no health downside whatsoever to vaping. There almost has to be.

But I know how much better I feel since I stopped smoking using Ecigs. And I continue to feel better and be able to breathe better everyday. They have been a life-changing thing for me and I would support any smoker to at least try it and I think it should be encouraged by society as whole. I realise there may be a few teens who might experiment and get hooked and this isn't ideal. When I was a youngster such things weren't around so I couldn't become hooked on Ecigs. I had a packet of Rothmans instead which is worse, much worse. Teens will always experiment with whatever is around them and Ecigs are substantially less harmful than real fags.

What I would hate to see is for Ecigs to be banned, or taxed or so heavily regulated that the chance to substitute a cheaper, less harmful and less disgusting form of nicotine addiction is removed by the government, the pharma companies or the tobacco companies who are only interested in money and not peoples well-being and to have it supported by dodgy biased research and the "do-gooders" in our society who try to ban absolutely everything they don't like because they feel they have the right to take away peoples freedom of choice because they think they are superior.

 

[Paul99]

It is for any new pharmaceutical

And e-juice and e-cigarettes are not pharmaceutical products, so why should they be treated as such?

I'll expect the standard 'they should be' response. Surprise me.

 

[Puddles]

I saw a delivery driver in my daughters primary school smoking the other day, or at least I thought he was smoking. As I walked over to him to gift him my thoughts on the matter I realised he was vaping so I veered off confused. Is vaping OK in Primary School grounds during the school day?

It has just been banned at our Primary School.

 

[rich p]

Funnily enough, there were two people, vaping and drinking tinned beer, in the childrens' playground yesterday, while I was there with my two g-kids.
I called them something similar to Marmion's epithet. They just shrugged and carried on.

 

[roadrash]

Edit - I've now read the whole thread.
Of course it's about the entitlement, and rubbishing any research that contradicts that.
Vapers appear to combine the self-entitled whining of smokers, and the ill-informed technobollocks of HiFi freaks. Thank fark they're unlikely to breed!
*ducks*

what a silly statement , i am a vaper and have already managed to breed several times .

 

[Drago]

Just bloody quit smoking. Vaping is simply a means of prolonging the addiction, not of kicking it.

 

[Paul99]

Just bloody quit smoking. Vaping is simply a means of prolonging the addiction, not of kicking it.

It's not smoking

 

[Thomk]

Part of me thinks that vaping around young children is bad but part of me thinks it is good as it opens up the debate on smoking, or more accurately the importance of giving up smoking, in a "real world" way.

 

[Paul99]

@Paul99 apologies, on reflection that was ruder than warranted.

I appreciate it @User but you didn't need to apologise

 

[Vapin' Joe]

I think smoking in schools should be compulsory.

Bloody nanny state.

 

[ufkacbln]

The problem as I see it is the lack of reliable research about the effects of the products

One of the concerns is flavouring.It is assumed that because a flavouring is safe for food use then it is safe to inhale....

however many food flavouring contain aldehydes that are known respiratory irritants. Equally there is little known how common food flavourings change when vapourised, and also little is known about the interaction between these "Safe" chemicals atthese temperatures.

Finally there is the issue of "dosage"

The amount of flavouring consumed in food is small compared to the amount taken in when vaping. One study in the BMJ showed that a "vaper" may be taking in twice the legal exposure limits of Vanillin and Benzaldehyde

Another article form the States concluded:

The concentrations of some flavour chemicals in e-cigarette fluids are sufficiently high for inhalation exposure by vaping to be of toxicological concern. Usery limits should be contemplated for levels of some of the more worrisome chemicals as well as for total flavour chemical levels. Ingredient labeling should also be required.