roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
1x is a crappy idea, only favoured by mechanical inadequates who never really liked cycling in the first place.
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1x is a crappy idea, only favoured by mechanical inadequates who never really liked cycling in the first place.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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I would think so. You can still get 6/7/8 speed and I suspect 5 speed if I looked.
Jameshow
Veteran
Fine for kids bikes or cheap town bikes....
Twilkes
Guru
I went all the way down to 46-34 with an 11-32 cassette, 10sp Tiagra. The top gear is the same as the old 50 chainring with a 12-28 cassette and means I don't have to faff around making up a custom 12-32 cassette. Gear changes when coming onto a hill seem much easier, and I can stay on the big chainring for longer more generally.
'Modern' Tiagra is fairly new so surprised they're proposing dropping that, guess it's a different chain to 11-speed though. Will be stocking up on parts if so!
'Modern' Tiagra is fairly new so surprised they're proposing dropping that, guess it's a different chain to 11-speed though. Will be stocking up on parts if so!
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roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
C'est exact.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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- Inside my skull
Or hub gears
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
With a top gear of 40 x 11 I can still comfortably maintain 24 mph on the flat. I find that sufficient for my needs.
Twilkes
Guru
I just checked my last ride, in top gear for 60 seconds at 30mph with a tailwind but similar reasoning, I'm not going to be making use of anything bigger, I'm not racing anybody and my days of accelerating down steep hills are long gone!
bikingdad90
Guru
To be honest, I read the article and thought, you’ve just confused the living daylights out of everyone.
You’ve got established hierarchy for road and MTB, then you have a GRX range for “gravel” and now you have cues which is meant to be less of a faff because of interchangeable parts but to me the irony of it that is the LBS will now need to stock another set of parts to cater for old and new bikes!!
You’ve got established hierarchy for road and MTB, then you have a GRX range for “gravel” and now you have cues which is meant to be less of a faff because of interchangeable parts but to me the irony of it that is the LBS will now need to stock another set of parts to cater for old and new bikes!!
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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- Inside my skull
Oh yeah, I could hit 30 mph at higher cadence but at my more natural cadences 24-25 mph is sustainable without silly leg speed.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
And great for modern MTBing , works just as well and I've not met anyone who's gone back to 3x.
I wouldn't want one on a road bike though.
Twilkes
Guru
The way I read about it that makes sense for me is that if you're proper MTBing then your speed never really stays the same for long enough for cadence to be much of an issue, whereas on road you'll want the closer available ratios of a 2x as sitting at slightly the wrong cadence for minutes at a time can be frustrating.
sevenfourate
Devotee of OCD
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I own road, gravel and mountain bikes. With 3x, 2x and 1x fronts respectively.
The logic you’ve read about above is simplified; but about right imo - in ref to 1x being ‘fine’ on an MTB where cadence is often not really a thing - compared to road riding.
The notion 1x is “……Fine for kids bikes or cheap town bikes....” is a nonsense and I suspect a flippant statement borne from zero thought or experience.
The wide variety of Cues interchangeable and compatible parts across 9/10/11 speed and across road/mtb sounds good in theory and is a demand of the bike manufacturers but Im not sure the result serves end users.
For low milleage bike buyers it makes little difference. For low budget, high milleage commuters it is bad news. High end 11 spd chains , sprockets and rings may be durable but when made out of low end materials I expect they will not last a winter.
Shimano have gone from total cross incompatibility to everything, anywhere , all the time. No Oscars this year.
For low milleage bike buyers it makes little difference. For low budget, high milleage commuters it is bad news. High end 11 spd chains , sprockets and rings may be durable but when made out of low end materials I expect they will not last a winter.
Shimano have gone from total cross incompatibility to everything, anywhere , all the time. No Oscars this year.
Just had a read around Cues. Shimano are implementing LinkGuide teeth and chains at all levels. LG was designed for enhancec durability for electric bike/electric shifting which is similar to a very strong rider with poor skills.
Shimano say they are abandoning Trickle Down Cyclenomics and will instead develope the appropriate technology for these midrage groups. That sounds encouraging.
I can see improvements to bike shop inventory and spares availability.
If they do it right, with the right kind of durability, there may be hope. Shame about no triple chainset option.
Shimano say they are abandoning Trickle Down Cyclenomics and will instead develope the appropriate technology for these midrage groups. That sounds encouraging.
I can see improvements to bike shop inventory and spares availability.
If they do it right, with the right kind of durability, there may be hope. Shame about no triple chainset option.
