Pinned up as being a family car that you can drop the kids off at school and then tear up the tarmac on the way to work I was quite surprised to see it's only a 4 seater with 2 more in the boot- couldn't be done with the 'who gets to go in the boot' argument each time- therefore I for one am out.
Jaguar 4x4
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subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
Yes - sad that there is such a market for these bicycles. IME Its usually hybrid riders that assume you will dive in the Canal rather than impede their important progress, when bearing down on you on a narrow towpath with a bell being used aggresively - they rarely slow down, let alone stop but love shouting abuse .
that was my experience this morning. despite the " slow your pace" wording on the towpath.
there are cockwombles in life. i just deal with it.
OP
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youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
They are too wide, too high, too heavy, too expensive. They block the light when parked outside, and prevent emergency vehicles accessing our village high street. They are unnecessary
'fat-blob' fashion - I like that. I think of it as the 'cow-pat' school of design.It's a big blob of nothingness, a cross between a Mazda, a Hyundai and er, summat else, I keep thinking this fat-blob fashion will end but aren't Bentley also bringing one out?
Over The Hill
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- Ridden off into the sunset
Well they are following Porsche and Audi who certainly don't have a 4x4 profile.
There is an odd element to this in that Porsche etc don't have a second brand in their ownership that specialises in 4x4 as Jag does with Land Rover. But then in a way you could just re-skin a Range Rover as a Jag, same as Ford did to get the x type out of a Mondeo. They also gave in and made Diesels.
Jaguar are looking (as they always do) to what will sell in their overseas markets. They do not really do much for UK markets.
I hate all SUV types.
They are all ugly - including this Jag. I hate the fat shape and the silly attempt to try to make them less of a blob with the black bits at the bottom.
They are useless for town use to wide and fat to park.
They are useless for countryside. Not a real 4x4.
They are useless on a decent A road drive, all wallowy and high centre of gravity.
The use up loads more fuel than they need to.
They really have no advantage over an estate for 99% of normal use.
The are just a willy-wagling pose and designed to bully and intimidate other road users for people who think this is a good idea.
And relax!
There is an odd element to this in that Porsche etc don't have a second brand in their ownership that specialises in 4x4 as Jag does with Land Rover. But then in a way you could just re-skin a Range Rover as a Jag, same as Ford did to get the x type out of a Mondeo. They also gave in and made Diesels.
Jaguar are looking (as they always do) to what will sell in their overseas markets. They do not really do much for UK markets.
I hate all SUV types.
They are all ugly - including this Jag. I hate the fat shape and the silly attempt to try to make them less of a blob with the black bits at the bottom.
They are useless for town use to wide and fat to park.
They are useless for countryside. Not a real 4x4.
They are useless on a decent A road drive, all wallowy and high centre of gravity.
The use up loads more fuel than they need to.
They really have no advantage over an estate for 99% of normal use.
The are just a willy-wagling pose and designed to bully and intimidate other road users for people who think this is a good idea.
And relax!
Just my two penneth - I think it looks quite nice actually for a luxury 4x4. Being a cyclist I love being on a bike - but I also live in a relatively rural area and have a family that need ferrying about and if I'm honest with myself I'm a bit of a petrol head too so I at least look at cars the same way as I do cycles. But I just dont get the OP and people like them who bang on about stuff like this - not just cars - at the end of the day if you dont like it don't buy it, but also don't moan about it. Not just cars but everything else too - if you don't like a certain tv programme, turn over. If you don't like a certain shop as its too expensive, don't shop there. etc etc etc. OK rant over 
KneesUp
Guru
That's the Audi that as Auto Union built 4 wheel drive troop carriers and lorries for the German army, and as Audi introduced the Quattro in 1980, the first four-wheel drive rally car? That Audi, yeah?
KneesUp
Guru
I quite fancied a Subaru Legacy estate until they made it ugly and heavy - it was basically an unpretentious estate car that has AWD - useful for me as I live on a steep hill, and also seem to spend half my summers parked in muddy fields. Are cars that are the size of normal cars but also AWD acceptable? What about a Panda Climbing?
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youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
You see I don't think the design is 'quite nice' at all - I find it visually offensive, like many of its ilk - and especially the Cayenne. I find most the current Fords and Vauxhalls unpleasant too. Fashion and superficial styling I suppose - it has very little to do with function anyway. I moan about it because I can't turn it off or look away - I certainly wouldn't buy one!Just my two penneth - I think it looks quite nice actually for a luxury 4x4. Being a cyclist I love being on a bike - but I also live in a relatively rural area and have a family that need ferrying about and if I'm honest with myself I'm a bit of a petrol head too so I at least look at cars the same way as I do cycles. But I just dont get the OP and people like them who bang on about stuff like this - not just cars - at the end of the day if you dont like it don't buy it, but also don't moan about it. Not just cars but everything else too - if you don't like a certain tv programme, turn over. If you don't like a certain shop as its too expensive, don't shop there. etc etc etc. OK rant over
just jim
Guest
I can't wait for the impending ad campaign! I hope the ads show the intended demographic lifestyle choicers. I hope we get the chance to see their base-skate-surfing prowess after an exhilarating yet stress-free drive to the beach through deserted city streets and alpine passes. Perhaps a responsible yet hilarious slightly bearded slightly hipster bloke-man will be at the helm. Who knows, it's a long shot.
I miss my Cherokee, it was a "utilty" vehicle with no nod to trends, it had real bumpers too and no exterior plastic "styling" anywhere. I am having trouble finding another with low miles as they are getting on a bit now but if they started making them again tomorrow, I'd buy a new one, wouldn't be seen dead in an SUV
Over The Hill
Guru
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- Ridden off into the sunset
Fair point
I was sort of meaning they were not building Chelsea tractors before they started doing so. But I suppose in a way the segment of the market came along and was really invented by or hijacked from the Range Rover.
In a way, some marques seem suited to making these types of cars (for me Mercedes fits fine) but others really don't quite work for me and I suppose Audi or Jaguar are similar in that way. They have a bit of a pedigree for making a fast car, not a pedigree for making lumpy fat cars.
Fair point
I was sort of meaning they were not building Chelsea tractors before they started doing so. But I suppose in a way the segment of the market came along and was really invented by or hijacked from the Range Rover.
In a way, some marques seem suited to making these types of cars (for me Mercedes fits fine) but others really don't quite work for me and I suppose Audi or Jaguar are similar in that way. They have a bit of a pedigree for making a fast car, not a pedigree for making lumpy fat cars.
Lumpy - maybe not, but fat - oh yes!!
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Actually just running through a list of people I know with these types (large 4x4) of cars:
One is a triathlete and last year he and his wife rode up Mt Ventoux 5 times in one week just for the hell of it - they're both not fat.
Another is also a triathlete and races CX at quite a high level - he's not fat.
One is an ex-Marine and runs a security business and he sure as hell isn't fat and if he was you wouldn't tell him either.
Another is a cyclist and did 60000+' climbing in the alps over 6 or 7 (not sure which) days year before last. He is also a marathon runner and Fell runner. Also does the Fred Whitton every year in not a lot over 6 hours - also did a Double Whitton (unofficial) virtually non-stop. He's early 50's and very, very lean.
A couple in our village are kayakers and compete at national level. They also cycle/hike/run - they're not fat.
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Stereotyping - bit silly really.
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