Jumping red lights

[BentMikey]

Just because you've never had to avoid someone about to rear end you doesn't invalidate others' who've had to do this. It's not a justification for RLJing either, simply avoiding a collision. On the couple of times I've had to do this, I didn't need more than a few meters of extra space, and I didn't need to go across the junction itself, I still waited for the green before proceeding.

Actual RLJing is for no reason other than selfish impatience.

 

[Matthew_T]

Actual RLJing is for no reason other than selfish impatience.

I only RLJ at pedestrian crossings when I can see no danger to anyone what so ever. I dont go soaring through the lights but just creep incase someone does a Usaine Bolt and runs like a rocket in front of me.

I never RLJ at traffic junctions because it is just simply too dangerous and stupid.

 

[BentMikey]

That rather proves my point!

 

[Angelfishsolo]

That rather proves my point!

Indeed it does

 

[Matthew_T]

That rather proves my point!

I know it is impatient but I just dont see the point of hanging around for some invisible people to cross the road when the majority of ped crossings are on red for far too long. (I am turning into one of those bad drivers now).

 

[gaz]

I know it is impatient but I just dont see the point of hanging around for some invisible people to cross the road when the majority of ped crossings are on red for far too long. (I am turning into one of those bad drivers now).

Would you do that in your car?

 

[rowan 46]

I have been known to rlj on ped crossings when the peds have gone early. As I see it a pelican crossing is to let pedestrians across safely, If there's nobody there no foul if there's anybody near the crossing I stop. I never rlj at traffic signals but i will not modify my behaviour for the sake of what a motorist thinks. The way I see it those who moan about rlj or whatever else are lying. The reason they hate cyclists is because they hate cyclists and the only behaviour they would find acceptable is if every cyclist was off the road.

 

[gaz]

Pelican crossings really could use a redesign as they are way too inflexible. They often leave pedestrians or car drivers waiting for no good reason.

Definitely. They are designed to hold pedestrians up so that the most amount of pedestrians cross at the same time and delay the road users for the least amount of time. Unfortunately what often happens is there is a gap in the traffic and the pedestrians cross and some time later the lights turn red, with no one there to cross.

There are two main problems with this, it causes unwanted delays and it puts road users above pedestrians.

 

[gaz]

All agreed, apart from drawing a distinction between pedestrians and road users.

yes, i was just being lazy

 

[BentMikey]

Vehicular road users?

Skaters = pedestrians?

 

[Red Light]

The reason they hate cyclists is because they hate cyclists and the only behaviour they would find acceptable is if every cyclist was off the road.

"A key finding which should be noted was that, when commenting on the scenarios it was usually the behaviour of the cyclist that was criticised – no matter how small the misdemeanour. Few links were made between the cyclist’s behaviour and any external influences that could be affecting their choice of behaviour; i.e. the respondents’ comments indicated that they thought the cyclist’s actions were inherent and dispositional behaviours. In contrast, the motorists’ misdemeanours were excused or justified in terms of the situational influences. As this tendency seemed to continue across the groups and the individual depth interviews and was unprompted, it is unlikely that group dynamics had any significant effect on this finding. [...] This aligns with the psychological prediction of targeting of members of an ‘out group’.. "
Transport Research Laboratory research report 549, 2003

 

[Dan B]

Skaters = pedestrians?

TTBOMK yes. Which means that any traffic light I stop for when skating is entirely at my own discretion.

 

[Matthew_T]

Would you do that in your car?

Porbably not in a car because it doesnt wear you down, stopping and starting.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Porbably not in a car because it doesnt wear you down, stopping and starting.

So you break laws that inconvenience you.

 

[Dan B]

So you break laws that inconvenience you.

Be pretty pointless to break laws that didn't even inconvenience you, wouldn't it?