Jumping red lights

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Often it is clear on approach and then a RLJ doing 15-20 comes across from a side road......I'm approaching the lights on green @30....I have had to swerve many times to avoid cycling RLJs.

a) its highly unlikely that the RLJs are doing 15-20mph. That would imply running a red light at full speed. All the RLJs I see cross the junction as if they were pedestrians having checked for traffic.
b) 30mph is a limit not a target. If you know this is happening regularly then you should slow down for the junction not blast through at the speed limit.

next time I'll just hit the RLJ and sue the arse off him.

Not a hope now you've posted here that it happens to you regularly. You would have contributory negligence as a minimum for not slowing down if you knew there was a risk.

Phethan-Hubble v Coles (High Court, 2011):

  1. The Defendant would have known that there was no cycle path and that there was a real risk the cyclist could choose to come on to the road way rather than go down the footpath. He saw a cyclist who was not displaying lights and who therefore may not be so mindful to take such care of his own safety, that the motorist could rely upon his not coming into the road.
  2. Even at the maximum permitted speed of 30mph he would have been at the limit of the margin of safety he ought to have afforded to other road users.
  3. In this case there was a significant difference between the two road users. One a cyclist balanced on two wheels with little protection, the other a motorist in a stable enclosed vehicle that has fatal potential.
  1. The Defendant's speed ought to have been in the margin of 3/4 miles or so under the maximum speed limit of 30mph.


  2. I hold that the primary liability for this accident was that of the Defendant by virtue of the excessive speed at which he was travelling.
 

Twigman

New Member
a) All the RLJs I see cross the junction as if they were pedestrians having checked for traffic.

Well they are obviously blind to motorcycles.

WTF are they crossing on red lights for anyway?

If a motorist crosses on a red light into the path of a vehicle on a green light, it is ALWAYS the fault of the RLJ, why should it be any different when the RLJ is a cyclist?

A few years ago I knocked down a ped (on my m/c) who stepped onto a pelican crossing when the ped's light was on red.
The incident was witnessed by a policeman and I was exonerated of any blame, despite travelling at the speed limit.
I would have sued the stupid bint for the £500 damage she caused but I never discovered who she was as she was unconscious at the scene and carted off in an ambulance and the police wanted £50 for the accident report and anyway she looked like she was on benefits.

I'm sticking to my line of RLJs are blind morons with a death wish and next time one pulls across in front of me, I'll take him out rather than take avoiding action.

Fed up with them tbh.
 
If a motorist crosses on a red light into the path of a vehicle on a green light, it is ALWAYS the fault of the RLJ, why should it be any different when the RLJ is a cyclist?

Really. Motorist jailed for four years for killing an RLJ cyclist


I'm sticking to my line of RLJs are blind morons with a death wish and next time one pulls across in front of me, I'll take him out rather than take avoiding action.

Fed up with them tbh.

I would be extra careful now with those RLJers if I were you. If you hit one now it could become an (attempted) murder charge if they link you to your statement above.
 
IRDGAS

RLJs should be shot on sight.

Dangerous bastards.

Yep:

In London between 2001-05 there were 3 cyclists, 7 pedestrians and 7 motor vehicle occupants killed in collisions where a motorist jumped a red light. Two cyclists were killed by red light jumping (i.e. fewer than the number of cyclists killed by red-light-jumping drivers), while 7 motorcyclists got themselves killed the same way.

So looks like motorcyclists like you should be first in the line to be shot on sight. Dangerous bastard!
 

Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
You should be locked up before you kill yourself or (worse) someone else.


The number of times I have had to swerve or almost taken out a cyclist when I'm crossing on green [and they're on red] on my motorbike in London is huge. - Perhaps next time I should just ride straight into you and not bother to swerve?
If ever I hit you and I drop my fireblade , I hope you are adequately insured coz I will sue the arse off you.

Moron

:thumbsup:
 

Twigman

New Member
So looks like motorcyclists like you should be first in the line to be shot on sight. Dangerous bastard!

I NEVER jump red lights.

SSTIYPASI
 

rowan 46

Über Member
Location
birmingham
RL,it seems, has no experiences of his own. He can only quote from reports or statistics.

I find it quite refreshing that somebody gives independant evidence for an assertion. Being one myself who never lets a good fact get in the way of an opinion, I am grateful that someone has taken the trouble to get some facts.
 

Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
I find it quite refreshing that somebody gives independant evidence for an assertion. Being one myself who never lets a good fact get in the way of an opinion, I am grateful that someone has taken the trouble to get some facts.

There us nothing wrong with "facts". However if I had to choose between facts or personal experience I would take the latter every time. eg BMW's are reported as being one of the best drivers cars on the market. Having driven several of them (3 through top end 5 series) I do not like then in the slightest. In my experience the equivalent Audi is a much better car.
 

Twigman

New Member
But then there poor legs get tired :whistle:

I always thought it was coz they couldn't get out of their SPD-SL pedals.

God forbid they should have to stop start like everyone else.......I suppose that makes putting all road users' lives at risk worth it.

They are just selfish dangerous people who really should be banned from the road coz of their ignorance.
 
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