Katie Price needs help

[ebikeerwidnes]

….and I’m not arguing which seems to be the usual in here these days. I stated that many had no intention of even trying to get their lives in order and that resources are being wasted on them. My view and I’ll say no more.

I agree that the ones that are totally resistant should not have resources - which are more scarce than they should be - spent on them

However, I believe that there needs to be resources available to try to persuade them to engage. To me this is one of the main points in prison - to release people after they have decided go stop offending and to use the time inside to help them decided to stop - the longer the sentence the more time you have to persuade people to engage
Of course, that needs time, people, energy and hence money.

 

[steveindenmark]

I like how her family is asking for privacy and understanding for a woman under normal circumstances, does anything to get attention. You cannot switch the media button on and off. They are also playing the mental health card. Hopefully to get her into The Priory and not into prison. They will soon be coming out with the fact she has a disabled son to look after in another attempt to keep the cell door from banging shut.
She is a bloody menace with vehicles and pays no attention when the courts ban her. Prison should be the only option in her case.

 

[raleighnut]

Off to Gaol would be my preferred outcome too

 

[Bonefish Blues]

I like how her family is asking for privacy and understanding for a woman under normal circumstances, does anything to get attention. You cannot switch the media button on and off. They are also playing the mental health card. Hopefully to get her into The Priory and not into prison. They will soon be coming out with the fact she has a disabled son to look after in another attempt to keep the cell door from banging shut.
She is a bloody menace with vehicles and pays no attention when the courts ban her. Prison should be the only option in her case.

She appears to be ill, addicted, and in need of help. Is that the same as 'playing the mental health card'?

 

[steveindenmark]

She appears to be ill, addicted, and in need of help. Is that the same as 'playing the mental health card'?

Strange how all this comes out after she is caught, yet again. This is exactly what the mental health card looks like. I have no doubt her slipper lawyers will try everything to keep her out of prison. She is a danger to every road user. I have absolutely no sympathy for her.

 

[Pale Rider]

She appears to be ill, addicted, and in need of help. Is that the same as 'playing the mental health card'?

Yes, just as were she claiming to be crackers she would be playing the 'mad card'.

Such epithets are borne of long and weary experience of criminals who try to fake such symptoms in a bid to avoid appropriate punishment.

Which is unfortunate for genuine sufferers, although I've known many poorly people and people with significant problems who manage to avoid breaking the law.

It's not compulsory.

 

[tyred]

I agree she is a troubled soul and needs help with her problems and I am not always the biggest fan of sending people to prison but if she ignores driving bans, drives badly whilst under the influence then prison is probably the safest place for her before she kills or injures herself or someone else

 

[icowden]

then prison is probably the safest place for her before she kills or injures herself or someone else

I doubt that. If she is addicted, then (assuming she wants to engage) a secure Mental Health unit specialising in addiction is probably the best place for her.
Prison will not help deal with her addiction (assuming that that is the problem)

 

[Bonefish Blues]

I doubt that. If she is addicted, then (assuming she wants to engage) a secure Mental Health unit specialising in addiction is probably the best place for her.
Prison will not help deal with her addiction (assuming that that is the problem)

Indeed. The Forum's gone rather Victorian today.

 

[Blue Hills]

Events have overtaken us.

Price has been charged with disqual and no insurance, and remanded for court today. Despit talk of drink and drugs in the media last night there is no mention of any such charges, which begs the question of how she managed to park the car on its side on a stright stretch of road.

Before she gets help she is going to get a lot of punishment.

IMHO she is the architect of her own downfall. Shes as responsible for her actions as any one of us are. She's had plenty of opportunity to avail herself of help, but instead prefers to conduct her life like one long car crash, with the odd real car crash thrown in for good measure.

you're a tough tough man mr drago.
the story popped up in my bbc news feed - i must admit to admiring her "fair cop" response to her calamity.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Strange how all this comes out after she is caught, yet again. This is exactly what the mental health card looks like. I have no doubt her slipper lawyers will try everything to keep her out of prison. She is a danger to every road user. I have absolutely no sympathy for her.

That's very clear.

She's an intelligent woman - that much is clear from watching her on TV in appearances, various. Aren't you even slightly curious as to what drives these behaviours - you know, that she might be ill, struggling with demons (as the Victorians might have said...) and all that.

 

[steveindenmark]

That's very clear.

She's an intelligent woman - that much is clear from watching her on TV in appearances, various. Aren't you even slightly curious as to what drives these behaviours - you know, that she might be ill, struggling with demons (as the Victorians might have said...) and all that.

No Im not. I dont care what makes people drink and drive or drive after taking drugs. Especially when they do it time after time and have no regards of the courts decisions. She thinks the law does not apply to her. Lets hope the judge proves her wrong. If she carries on like this, she will end up killing someone.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Yes, just as were she claiming to be crackers she would be playing the 'mad card'.

Such epithets are borne of long and weary experience of criminals who try to fake such symptoms in a bid to avoid appropriate punishment.

Which is unfortunate for genuine sufferers, although I've known many poorly people and people with significant problems who manage to avoid breaking the law.

It's not compulsory.

I’m uncomfortable with the use of ‘playing the x card’. It’s easy enough to say that a person claims x as a factor in a situation, even where you feel it is bogus. Describing it as ‘playing a card‘ demeans the reality of people for whom, say, mental health is a genuine contributor to their difficulties by making it sound as though everyone uses it as an excuse.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

If she has problems that can be helped but in the meantime she is putting the lives of other people at risks then she needs to be forced to behave until she is able to control herself

Maybe a tag and enforced house arrest would help???

But if someone is constantly putting other people's lives at risk then they need to be stopped.

 

[All uphill]

Many here seem keen on more prison sentences for those who are unwilling or unable to behave in a way that is not harmful to the rest of us. I understand that and I also understand that prison is very expensive, prevents people contributing to society and has a poor record in preventing recidivism. It also makes getting back into employment more difficult.
All of that makes it bad for the rest of us.

Is there room for convicted people to be subject to close monitoring along with training as an alternative to incarceration? A bit like probation but with intensive support and immediate sanctions?