Kitchens, ovens and hobs...

[fossyant]

I just don't get it - my sister has a mega expensive kitchen, with a huge range cooker for two of them - it's not as though it's an Arga that powers heating ! . The work tops are glossy granite, but you can't put down a glass of wine or juice as it marks it if left. That would never do in our house with two young kids. More than happy with the gas stove and standard built in oven (both just recently replaced after 16 years service).

Horses for courses really, as I won't ever ride a bog standard bike. Has to be Ultegra and above level equivalent !

What ever floats your boat !

 

[Fab Foodie]

Gas hobs for me.
On the subject of eye-level ovens, not only are they a more convenient height for access and seeing what's going-on (as well as not being in the way of the hob-user), they offer a couple of other advantages, they're out the way of small children and dogs, you don't have to get on your knees to clean 'em and fix 'em.

 

[subaqua]

230V at 13 amps gives 3kW. Enough for a single electric oven (though not a double) but definitely not enough for an induction hob, which uses a high load at start-up. If you already have say a 30A supply for a conventional electric hob, you're probably ok.

I was speaking from an electrical enginer POV . even when i was on the tools ( sheesh is it really 10 years since i came off the tools ) and did kitchen upgrades we always left the cooker circuit ,usually a 6mm sq but its now more common to have a 10mm sq , in situ and put a socket on the end of it . most sparks do the same .

sadly a lot of kitchen fitters look at a cokker rated at 10.8Kw and don't have the training to look at it and apply diversity factors and just do the P=V*I calculation and come up with a grossly oversized circuit to put in.

 

[User482]

I was speaking from an electrical enginer POV . even when i was on the tools ( sheesh is it really 10 years since i came off the tools ) and did kitchen upgrades we always left the cooker circuit ,usually a 6mm sq but its now more common to have a 10mm sq , in situ and put a socket on the end of it . most sparks do the same .

sadly a lot of kitchen fitters look at a cokker rated at 10.8Kw and don't have the training to look at it and apply diversity factors and just do the P=V*I calculation and come up with a grossly oversized circuit to put in.

Many people don't have a dedicated cooker supply. I have a gas hob and a single electric oven which runs off a standard 13A socket - fitting an induction hob would be a PITA.

 

[summerdays]

This thread is now confusing me - I'd never considered an induction hob but with so many people rating it, I think I may have to find someone with one that I can have a play with.

 

[dellzeqq]

Leverkuehn. Yuck! Jesus, that was a tedious novel - up there with Thomas Hardy and DH Lawrence. I wouldn't even be able to get a pass in German A level nowadays!

Uncle Mort - your observations on Agas are spot-on, but to compare DH Lawrence and Thomas Mann with the whinging stumblebum Thomas Hardy is shameful. Hardy, like CP Snow, Herman Hesse and the execrable John Dos Passos, equates boredom with greatness, whereas, whatever their faults, Lawrence and Mann write sentences that appeal to the ear. You don't have to be an expert in German aestheticism to dive in to a sentence from Faustus or the Magic Mountain - each one contains words which, even in translation, pick at your nerve endings.

As you say, though, Agas are rubbish.

 

[dellzeqq]

take your point about Lawrence, Uncle Mort. From where I sit all those pumping thighs are just the kind of inspiration we need when LonJoG reaches the A614! But, should you ever venture out on one of our night rides it would be a pleasure to listen to you give a Thomas Mann reading in German. The FNRttCers are a cultured bunch, and a bit of Hochdeutsch would tee us up nicely for our trip to Gelsenkirchen, to see our adopted football team!

Mohammed war ein Prophet
Der vom Fußballspielen nichts versteht
Doch aus all der schönen Farbenpracht
Hat er sich das Blau und Weiße ausgedacht

Sorry, Cafepeeps! Back to kitchens! I wonder if Subaqua could tell us what size of cable would suffice for an induction hob, and whether the installation of the same would be subject to Part P(reposterous) of the Building Regulations?

 

[User482]

Uncle Mort - your observations on Agas are spot-on, but to compare DH Lawrence and Thomas Mann with the whinging stumblebum Thomas Hardy is shameful. Hardy, like CP Snow, Herman Hesse and the execrable John Dos Passos, equates boredom with greatness, whereas, whatever their faults, Lawrence and Mann write sentences that appeal to the ear. You don't have to be an expert in German aestheticism to dive in to a sentence from Faustus or the Magic Mountain - each one contains words which, even in translation, pick at your nerve endings.

As you say, though, Agas are rubbish.

I'm glad it's not just me - I never could stand his tedious prose. And the poetry...

 

[subaqua]

take your point about Lawrence, Uncle Mort. From where I sit all those pumping thighs are just the kind of inspiration we need when LonJoG reaches the A614! But, should you ever venture out on one of our night rides it would be a pleasure to listen to you give a Thomas Mann reading in German. The FNRttCers are a cultured bunch, and a bit of Hochdeutsch would tee us up nicely for our trip to Gelsenkirchen, to see our adopted football team!

Mohammed war ein Prophet
Der vom Fußballspielen nichts versteht
Doch aus all der schönen Farbenpracht
Hat er sich das Blau und Weiße ausgedacht

Sorry, Cafepeeps! Back to kitchens! I wonder if Subaqua could tell us what 1) size of cable would suffice for an induction hob, and whether the 2) installation of the same would be subject to Part P(reposterous) of the Building Regulations?

1) cable size for a smallish one based on the power demand in the Neff catalogue would be a 6mm cable dependent on cable run length and whether or not it passes through thermal insulation . give me some more parameters of the building construction.
2) yes it damn well does, if its a new circuit or a significant alteration to the circuit. Connecting a new induction hob to an existing circuit, thankfully does not requuire a part p ( hack spit) notification .

 

[Maz]

Induction hobs are absolutely bloody useless if you are making rotis. Gas is the only way to do it right.

 

[Aperitif]

Maz - CycleChat's 'Mr Rotivator'. (Did you miss the comma out between 'it' and 'right' ? )

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Agas are middle class shite. You swelter through the summer. Induction hobs are great and most importantly they're much easier to clean than gas hobs.

I live in Scotland: we have no summer You must be a lazy cook, not wanting to clean your cooker: me, I'm cooking with gas